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#1 alc999

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 10:23 AM

I just got my latest PCR back, and I'm at 0.2 % IS. It's been a little over 2 years since my diagnosis, and I have yet to get below 0.1% on Gleevec. And for the last 6 months, we upped my dose to 600 mg a day to see if that did the job. I had asked my doctor if we could try upping the Gleevec instead of switching me because I was tolerating it so well. But I think it's time for me to agree with him and switch me to a second generation drug.

 

Any advice from those who have switched from Gleevec to Sprycel or Tasigna?


01/15: Diagnosed, 195% PCR, 100% FiSH, Began Gleevec 400 mg per day

04/15: 58.1% PCR

08/15: 1.6% PCR, 0% FiSH

11/15: 0.6% PCR

02/16: 0.4% PCR

05/16: 0.1% PCR

09/16: 0.3% PCR, Began Gleevec 600 mg per day

12/16: 0.1% PCR

03/17: 0.2% PCR, Began Tasigna 600 mg per day

07/17: 0.08% PCR


#2 Buzzm1

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 10:32 AM

alc999, in that your PCR reading is at a relatively low level, it should not be necessary for you to begin another TKI at the normally prescribed dose; I would lobby hard for a significantly reduced dose, regardless of which TKI your onc. puts you on.  Good Luck!


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02/2010 Gleevec 400mg

2011 Two weakly positives, PCRU, weakly positive

2012 PCRU, PCRU, PCRU, PCRU

2013 PCRU, PCRU, PCRU, weakly positive

2014 PCRU, PCRU, PCRU, PCRU (12/07 began dose reduction w/each continuing PCRU)

2015 300, 250, 200, 150

2016 100, 50/100, 100, 10/17 TFR

2017 01/17 TFR, 04/18 TFR, 07/18 TFR 0.0012, 08/29 TFR 0.001, 10/17 TFR 0.000

2018 01/16 TFR 0.0004 ... next quarterly PCR 04/17

 

At the earliest opportunity, and whenever possible, lower your TKI dosage; TKIs are toxic drugs and the less we take longterm the better off we are going to be ... this is especially true for older adults.  

 

In hindsight I should have started my dosage reduction two years earlier; it might have helped minimize some of the longterm cumulative toxic effects of TKIs that I am beset with.  

 

longterm side-effects Peripheral Artery Disease - legs (it's a bitch); continuing shoulder problems, right elbow inflammation.   GFR and creatinine vastly improved after stopping Gleevec.

 

Cumulative Gleevec dosage estimated at 830 grams

 

Taking Gleevec 400mg an hour after my largest meal of the day helped eliminate the nausea that Gleevec is notorious for.  

 

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#3 Trey

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 12:17 PM

I would switch to any other drug.  At some point necessity is not as important as the patient feeling in control of the disease. 



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Posted 24 March 2017 - 02:39 PM

Consider switching to low dose Sprycel (40mg starting) and have your PCR re-checked after six weeks. If your PCR remains the same, you might increase dose to 60mg and re-test.  There is a good chance your PCR will drop. If it does drop, you might be able to lower your Sprycel dose to 20mg as maintenance and continue as before. Starting low and working up is a different approach than in the past regarding TKI's. It is only workable when PCR's are already low (i.e. < 1.0%) and blast cells are at or near zero.

 

Tasigna is likely to work better than Gleevec, but is similar to Gleevec in how it targets CML. Tasigna also has time limits set on when you can eat or not eat. Sprycel can be taken any time - with or without food and does target CML differently than either Gleevec or Tasigna. 


Diagnosed 11 May 2011 (100% FiSH, 155% PCR)

with b2a2 BCR-ABL fusion transcript coding for the 210kDa BCR-ABL protein

 

Sprycel: 20 mg per day - taken at lights out with Quercetin and/or Magnesium Taurate

6-8 grams Curcumin C3 complex.

 

2015 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

2016 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale) 

March        2017 PCR:     0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

June          2017 PCR:     "undetected"

September 2017 PCR:     "undetected"


#5 kat73

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 04:20 PM

I had no trouble at all going directly from my last Gleevec pill to my first Sprycel.  No Sprycel headache.  Sprycel really zoomed the PCR downwards immediately.  (Like you, I still wasn't MMR approaching 2 years on Gleevec.)  All my Gleevec side effects were much, much better on Sprycel.  This was five years ago, and the starting dose was commonly 140 mg  or 100 mg then - they seem to start lower now.  I started at 100 mg and two months later reduced to 70 mg, which made my RBC et al come up nicely close to normal.  Am currently at 50 mg because of pleural effusions.  I had some weird bouts of skin rashes that were cyclical with the Sprycel for about a year, no real biggie, left and never came back.


Dx July 2009 on routine physical.  WBC 94.  Started Gleevec 400 mg Sept 2009.  MMR at 2yrs.  Side effects (malaise, depression/anxiety, fatigue, nausea, periorbital edema) never improved.  Kidney issues developed because of Gleevec.  Switched to Sprycel 70 mg in Aug 2011.  Above side effects disappeared or improved.  Have been MR3.5 - 4.5 ever since.  Two untreated pleural effusions followed by one treated by stopping Sprycel Jan 2017.  After 9 weeks, PCR showed loss of MMR; re-started Sprycel at 50 mg and in 3 months was back to <0.01% IS.  Pleural effusion returned within a couple of months, same as before (moderate, left side only).  Stopped Sprycel 50 mg for 12 weeks; pleural effusion resolved.  At about a monthoff the drug, PCR was 0.03; at 11 weeks it was 2.06 - lost CCyR? Have returned to 50 mg Sprycel for 3 weeks, intending to reduce to 20 mg going forward.


#6 Marnie

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 04:55 PM

When I switched from 400 Gleevec to Sprycel, I asked my onc if I could start on 50 mg rather than the standard 100 mg.  I took a week drug break from Gleevec before starting Sprycel and had very little Sprycel headache.   I did 50 mg for a couple of weeks, I think before moving up to full dosage (100 mg).  I did have issues with pleural effusion at the year and a half mark.  I'm currently on ~25 mg Sprycel (splitting 50 mg tablets) and am maintaining good PCR levels, though have lost PCRu this last round of testing. 

 

Good luck with the switch.  If you go to Sprycel, I would highly recommend that you discuss with your oncologist taking low dose, perhaps starting at 70 or 50 mg and then working your way down to as low a dose as you can to maintain reasonable PCR numbers. 



#7 alc999

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 02:24 PM

Thanks everyone for the input! We've decided to start me on Tasigna. We'll see how it goes!


01/15: Diagnosed, 195% PCR, 100% FiSH, Began Gleevec 400 mg per day

04/15: 58.1% PCR

08/15: 1.6% PCR, 0% FiSH

11/15: 0.6% PCR

02/16: 0.4% PCR

05/16: 0.1% PCR

09/16: 0.3% PCR, Began Gleevec 600 mg per day

12/16: 0.1% PCR

03/17: 0.2% PCR, Began Tasigna 600 mg per day

07/17: 0.08% PCR


#8 cmljax

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Posted 03 April 2017 - 04:40 PM

Let me know how you do on Tasigna.  I have had great response, but a few serious and a few not so serious side effects - we are all different, but give it a good 6 months before you decide to switch again if you can.  I just lowered dose to 450 on 3/10/17 - PCR on Wednesday.

 

Good luck to you


Dx 9/26/16 WBC 28800; platelets 749; FISH 97% PCR 43%

Tasigna 600MG per day

October 2016                     PCR 22% IS

November 2016                 PCR 5.8% IS

December 2016                 PCR 0.1% IS  MMR!!

March 10, 2017                 PCR 0.006% IS  MR 4.22

Tasigna 450MG per day

April 5, 2017                      PCR <.003% IS

June 5, 2017                     PCR <.003% IS (dose reduction validated!!!)

Tasigna 300MG per day starting June 15, 2017

6-day drug break starting June 20, 2017 due to multiple AE's

July 24, 2017                     PCR <.003% IS

September 18, 2017          Negative, AKA PCRU

Tasigna 150mg per day starting 9/18/17

October 30, 2017               Negative

December 11, 2017           Negative


#9 JPD

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Posted 27 April 2017 - 03:45 PM

Check my signature for my journey.  Turtles exist.  I know its depressing AF, but you are okay.  Take the pills and live your life.  


January 15: .53%

April 15:       .78%

July 15:      1.1% - upped dosage to 400mg after this test

Oct 15:       .85%

December 15:  .28%

March 16: .29%

July 16: .34%

October 16: .11%

January 17: .081%

April 17: .055%

July 17: .135%

Oct 17: .008%





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