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#1 dee145

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Posted 04 December 2009 - 08:15 AM

Well I went to my onc. yesterday and he was going to put me on Tasigna but after he got the EKG of my heart he says I need to go to the heart dr. now.  One of the side effects of Tasigna is QT Prolongation which from what I understand can be serious and my EKG showed I already have it.  Does anyone know if this is a side effect of the Gleevec also?  It is not listed as a side effect of Gleevec.  So I am off to the heart dr this morning to see what he says.

Trey, if you read this maybe you can explain in English what a QT Prolongation is exactly.

                                                         Dee145



#2 Trey

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Posted 04 December 2009 - 11:25 AM

In overly simplified terms, the QT period is the heart beating (not resting) cycle.  More specifically, it is the ventricle contraction and relaxation cycle (which does not include the atrium cycle or the resting period).  The "Q" is the electrical initiation of the ventricles squeezing blood out of the heart, and the "T" is the end of the ventricular relaxation, and after that the heart rests.  So the QT period is generally the period of the  heart ventricular contraction and relaxation.  So a prolonged QT cycle means it takes longer for the heart to complete each  "heartbeat" since the portion that can be felt is the ventricle portion.  Often this is a congenital issue (there from birth).  Generally, the Tasigna warning about QT prolongation should be taken seriously, but the current data does not seem to show that it occurs very often in those taking Tasigna.

http://www.qtsyndrome.ch/faq.html

http://en.wikipedia....iki/QT_interval

http://en.wikipedia....ong_QT_syndrome

http://en.wikipedia....i/Cardiac_cycle

Video showing heart electrical signalling and QT cycle:

http://www.nhlbi.nih...electrical.html

See also related discussion:

http://community.lls.org/thread/4476



#3 houtex54

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Posted 04 December 2009 - 09:06 PM

Trey's explanation of the Long QT syndrome issue is a good one.

I would like to clarify that the danger of a lengthened QT interval is not that the heart is denied a sufficient rest period so that it "wears out", but that a sufficiently long QT duration can cause one heartbeat to "step on the heels" of the one after it.  The heart's rhythm is a cadence with a very precisely defined sequence.  It does not work very well when it attempts a fugue.  The sequence stumbles and tries to propagate the beat rhythm in every direction at once which is called ventricular fibrillation.  In this sort of condition, the heart's timing goes 180 degrees out of whack, and the effect is much like breaking the timing belt in a Honda.   The V-fib condition is very often fatal, since a heart beating out of synch with itself pumps almost no blood flow.  The unfortunate victim loses consciousness almost immediately.  If someone else is quickly available with a defibrillator or AED, the condition can be fixed by forcing the heart back onto its normal rhythm with a strong electrical shock.

Long QT syndrome can be caused by a number of things including several types of inherited genetic susceptibilities, blood electrolyte excesses or deficiencies and some odd specific drug-drug interactions.  It is dangerous because of the high potential for a sudden deadly heart-attack with no obvious warning symptoms, and the requirement for immediate skilled care with a defibrillator.  Because the nature of the fibrillation is an uncoordinated electrical pulse rather than a weakened one, it is not preventable by any practical means like a pace-maker.  The conversion back to normal rhythm requires a big shock that is delivered only when it is needed.

Long QT syndrome is not a risk from either Gleevec or Sprycel, but it is a risk with Tasigna.  Even with Tasigna, it is fairly rare, but given the serious and difficult to manage consequences, if a Tasigna patient develops any sign of long QT syndrome, the prudent thing to do is switch to a different medication.  Tasigna protocol specifies frequent monitoring for long QT syndrome for about the first year.  If no sign of it is found in a year, the monitoring stops because the patient is not thought likely to develop it later if they have not found it in a year.

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#4 dee145

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Posted 06 December 2009 - 03:45 PM

Trey, I went to the cardiologist and he said he found records of me having the QT interval prolongation in May of 2008 so it has no connection to my chemo.  I have been on a pill called amitriptlyne for 10 yrs for the control of headaches/migraines and he says that's probaly the cause. I had to stop it right away and then in a week I have to have a stress test (no treadmill, that would kill me) then wait a week and go back to him for another EKG and then see how much damage has been done.  He says it could be very serious cause of being on this pill for so long plus my leukemia and the Gleevec.  These drs. don't realize the long term effect that some of these drugs can cause so everyone please do your own research on your meds for long term issues that can occur.  Before i was officially diagnosed with CML I was always short of breath, got tired very easy and after I was diagnosed we blamed it on the leukemia getting worse but the heart dr. thinks it was signs of the QT interval prolongation.  I have had plenty of tests done in the past and no other dr. picked it up, just like the CML.  Depending on the damage done I might have to have surgery.  So everyone do your own research on every drug that you put in your body please!!!

                                                 Thanks, Dee145



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Posted 07 December 2009 - 07:56 PM

Well, I don't have to worry about the job situation anymore, I lost it today!!!  Between missed work from being sick with the leukemia and the Gleevec and now the missing work to see the cardiologist about this QT interval prolongation they let me go.  This cold weather is so rough on me I couldn't even get out of bed today so I lost my job. My legs hurt so bad plus now I am getting my headaches back that I didn't make it to work so I am done. This is a boss who had stage 4 colon cancer and went thru hell and back but has no compassion for anyone else.  So I called the social security office and got the papers going for that, just hope I don't lose my house and car while waiting to get that money.  Boy, this really sucks right at Christmas time!!!

                                  Dee145



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Posted 08 December 2009 - 10:26 AM

Dee, I am so sorry about your job loss.  A buddy on another forum here lost her job a couple of days ago - similar situation.  Like you didn't have enough to deal with already.  It's hard to imagine some one who has already suffered from cancer couldn't have compassion on another with it. This is the reason I am participating in a Traveling T-Shirt project (personal grass roots endeavor, with the blessings of the LLS Society of MIssissippi) to raise more awareness about CML and Myleoproliferative diseases.  Our blood cancers are sorely missunderstood.  I have totally stopped trying to explain it to anyone but the people nearest to me and those who have to know.  We are never truly doing fine due to the CML and the side effects of the drugs.  If the traveling T-Shirt is effective, I am hoping it will be picked up by other local  groups and used in conjuction with the Light the Night effort to raise awareness and funds.  I cannot take credit for the idea. It came from the PV forum after the Light the Night in New Orleans, but I have joined the cause. I will try to post a picture when it comes to me. (I think my turn is next week).

I fear that more job losses are forthcoming.  So, do you have COBRA for insurance in the gap between now and SS?  You and so many others are on my prayer list for comfort and peace in these trying times.

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Posted 08 December 2009 - 12:12 PM

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Posted 09 December 2009 - 04:26 PM

Dee, can I ask the dose of amitriptyline you've been taking? I have also used that medicine for migraine preventation/sleep issues for several years, and no doctor has ever warned me about such a serious side effect. Thanks.

Kat



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Posted 09 December 2009 - 06:24 PM

Started on 25mg over 10 yrs ago and now was up to 150 mg at bedtime.  E-mail my yahoo if you have any other questions.

                                     Dee145



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Posted 09 December 2009 - 07:06 PM

Thank you for the information -- I hope that everything works out for you with your health and your job/insurance coverage.

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Posted 10 December 2009 - 10:07 AM

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Posted 06 April 2010 - 02:21 PM

Here is another good graphic of the QT issue:

http://www.nhlbi.nih...electrical.html

Also, there are a couple of other items to consider.  A very fast heart rate (especially over 100 beats per minute) can make the QT issue less important.  Also, women can have a slightly higher "normal" QT than men.

If your doc is using "raw" QT numbers from the ECG report, they could be misleading.  Your raw ECG QT number needs to be corrected using the equation below to give a true QT reading.  See graph for QT correction on this link:

http://en.wikipedia....iki/QT_interval

Another good reason to get copies of all test reports.






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