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#1 Tedsey

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 05:52 PM

"Eye bleeds," as I have heard them called by fellow CMLers usually consist of a broken blood vessel that bleeds out under the lining that surrounds the eye.  Thus, the white of the eye turns red and looks bloody.  I had one 3 years ago and it went away without any problem.  Although it looks horrific, it appears to be a common and harmless enough event.

I had another eye bleed last Sunday.  The blood filled up the lining of my eye pretty fast and it was bulging by the time I went to bed.  I woke up the next day with blood outside my eye.  To put it into perspective, the lining didn't actually burst, but the blood leaked out through my ducts.  Therefore, it was leaking blood instead of gushing, and it appeared to clot a little overnight.  But to be safe, I ran to my cousin, who is an eye surgeon.  First thing he said upon seeing me was, "This looks bad!"  Great...what totally not to say to a patient upon first seeing them.  Anyway, he looked at my eye and he told me there was a burst blood vessel behind the lining of the retina in my eye and that it was infected.  He felt the infection was secondary and was a result of the irritation from the bleeding.  So, he made me go see a retina specialist downstairs.  Freakout time.  And I thought it was just another CML eyebleed.

Anyway, after an hour sitting with a bunch of very nice elderly people and a  cranky, toddler (mine), and reading signs about glaucoma, macular degeneration, diabetes and blindness, and noting how funny it was that  there were impressionist paintings on the walls, (but ironically, no Monet),  I was getting very depressed.  I was thinking, "First CML, now blindness.  How am I  going to take care of my kids?!?  Why is it always the old folks at the cancer, or now blindness center and me?"  I just heard about premature aging, and I am certain I have it.  Anyway, I tried to be positive by  saying, "But I have one good eye!"  Sadly, it didn't make me feel much better.

Well, it turns out the bleeding eye was not serious.  The retina specialist took one look and told me it would heal up (but I have to come back in 6 months).  My cousin gave me an antibiotic and I was on my way, back to my lovely life.  I so hate these CML interruptions. 

I had noticed a grayish, opaque, blurry spot in my right eye after working out a few days before.  I could still see a shadow of it when I closed my eye, but it went away.  The doctor said it was probably working out that brought it on, along with "leukemics get this kind of thing" or it just happens sometimes, (more reinforcement that most people who practice medicine spend little time with cause and effect--kind of a sadness I carry--God bless those in research).  Afterward, I noticed a big red splotch on the top of my right wrist.  I usually get this when my PLT are low along with plaques of broken blood vessels on my neck and chest.  As I am female, I am also menstruating, so it appears this bleed was resultant of a few things.

The moral of the story is, an eye that drips blood is not always a sign of impending doom.  However, it is always prudent to go see your eye doctor.

Hope this story will help ease the anxiety for another poor, freaked out CMLer with a dripping, bleeding eye.  The more I live, the more I learn, the more I love my life.  May we all outlive this crappy disease.

Tedsey 



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Posted 10 September 2013 - 08:14 PM

I am beginning to believe I learn more for these discussion boards than my oncologist/hematologist!  I have had blood vessels to burst three times in my eyes and the doctor says it is not related to the CML or the gleevec..... Thanks for the information.


Diagnosed CML December 2012
Gleevec 400 mg
PCR 53%, 41%, 1.69%, 5.63% (Mutation test negative) September 2013
Sprycel 100 mg
PCR 1.1%, 0.2%, 0.2%, 0.6%, .09%, .06%, PCRU June 2015, PCRU Sept 2015, PCRU Dec 2015, 0.042% Mar 2016, 0.122% April 2016, 0.19% June 2016, 0.176% July 2016, .052% Sept 2016, .031% Nov 2016
Diagnosed Basel Skin Cancer December 2012, October 2014 (All cancer removed)
Diagnosed Melanoma April 2015 (All cancer removed)

#3 Trey

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Posted 10 September 2013 - 09:20 PM

"If you step back from life it looks better."

--Trey

(At least Monet was not blind until he was in his sixties, and regained his eyesight at age 83 after cataract surgery.)



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Posted 10 September 2013 - 11:58 PM

Diagnosed with CML in 2005 still on Gleevec.  I get occasional eye bleeds, they really look terrible.  Once I went to the ER and he cleaned it out good with a solution and gave me eye drops.  The last one I got was about 1 1/2 years ago.  They always go away.  I have always wondered if it was due to CML or Gleevec or both.  Never had that problem before CML/GLEEVEC.

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 07:43 AM

Tedsey

I had low platelets (~ 50 K) for many years from immune thrombocytopenia even prior to CML and found out that pineapple has an enzyme called bromelaine which helps get rid of bruises pretty quickly for me.  Just thought I would mention it to you.  I used to (and still do) play contact sports.  The ITP never bothered me but I did manage to pick up a ton of bruises, and the pineapple definitely helped.  And even in the worst case, at least you will have some nice fruit with a good dose of vitamin C!!  Fresh pineapple seems to work best, and canned pineapple juice the least - I suspect that processing likely destroys the bromelaine (speculation on my part).  Hope this helps.

Mike


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#6 Tedsey

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Posted 11 September 2013 - 01:41 PM

Yeah, especially with one good eye...Man, what I would give to get CML in my 60s or 80s (or cataracts).  What a lucky guy, Monet.  However, it must have been a sucky 20 years for him before he had the surgery.  Trey, I want to apologize about way back when you asked me to translate your screen (and at best, I am only a functional illiterate in Japanese).  However, someone else jumped in first, and I couldn't have translated any better.  I want to make one correction though.  Before the Meji era, Japanese text was written and read top to bottom and right to left.  Thus, horizontal writings were also read right to left.  Today horizontal writings are normally read left to right.  Anyway, your screen may predate the Meji era.



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Posted 11 September 2013 - 02:04 PM

Thanks for the pineapple tip!  Sadly, I get chronic mouth sores (after starting Sprycel--does this kinda thing ever quit?).  I can only eat it on the rare occasion I don't have a sore in my mouth.  I'll just load up then!  I am light-skinned, so I have always been a walking bruise.  Now I have a real reason for it.

Take care!

Tedsey

P.S.  How long did you have issues with thrombocytopenia?  I am going on almost 4 years.



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Posted 11 September 2013 - 08:06 PM

My earliest medical records that Ive been able to dig up show I had low platelets back in 1997, and ever since then.  But I believe it was even farther back then that, just cant remember exactly.  I was diagnosed with ideopathic thrombocytopenia (ITP), believed to be an autoimmune issue.  My platelets were generally around 40-60 K so it was never an issue until I started sprycel, then my platelets tanked down to about 9K.  So they yanked my spleen to get my platelets up - it worked, now they are pretty consistently about 150K.  Then I went back on the sprycel.

DId sprycel also make your platelets go down or were they low initially?


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Posted 12 September 2013 - 11:02 AM

That's awful Tedsey!  I'm very squeamish when it comes to my eyes.  I hope your eye heals up quickly.



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Posted 14 September 2013 - 12:25 AM

Wow, they yanked your spleen?  I don't know if I would have been so brave.  I had never been told my PLT were low before taking a TKI.  I was first on Hydoxyurea and Gleevec when my PLT started to "tank".  It only continued on Sprycel.  However, I have not had a blood test in a while.  The last one, my PLT were 90K.  This was very high for me.  I mistakenly assumed they would go up from there...  Previously, I had been in the 20-70 range, so it was a big jump.  But I never got as low as you. 

I am certain I am low now as I have all the signs externally (but no signs of internal bleeding except my eye).  I live in fear of a stroke and think that maybe I should ask for a drug reduction (but my hem/onc will tell me it is only the CML).  I am home alone with the kids this weekend and made sure we reviewed how to call 911.  They are still little, so I hope they remember in time of crisis.  My worst nightmare would be me lying dead on the ground with them running loose in the house.  Life goes along smoothly for a while, then I fall into a CML pot hole that shakes everything up.  It sucks. Glad you are doing well with your counts.

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Posted 14 September 2013 - 12:25 AM

Thanks Rissa.  Hope you never get this, ever.

Teds



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Posted 17 September 2013 - 04:35 PM

HI:  I know we have talked about eyebleeds here and there, as a lot of people have gotten them for the first time and got a good scare.  I had quite a few of them in past years, and I just got a good one this morning.

      My eye felt a little weird, and then my  husband noticed it. It sort of spilled down along the base of the eye. Looks like a red circle around the eye now.  I was surprised, being its been so long since the last one I had.

      I hope any one new to our group or to Gleevec can see there are quite a few of us who have experienced them, and they are harmless in most cases.  The problem is that they take so long to clear up.

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