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#1 Tedsey

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 10:39 PM

Crazy story.  My onc sent me an email that my last PCR came in and went down a little, but I still had residual disease.  So, I figured the PCR was about the same as it was.  My last visit with her, she told me I was not MMR.  She calculated some numbers and told me I had to be something like .00009 or something (it had a lot of zeros).  It was a little perplexing for me, and I questioned what I thought I knew, but she is a hem/onc and I am not.

BTW, I did not have a reliable PCR until 6 months after dx.  So understanding my personal log reductions is a bust.  Nevertheless, it appears the IS or lab average is the way to go anyway.

Well, the new nurse only sent me the CBC, but not the PCR report.  So, I asked for the report.  Now, in the past, the lab had always sent the same generic report about BCR-ABL testing for CML and some types of ALL, yada, yada.  I called the lab 3 years ago and they told me they were not using the IS scale.  No one could tell me much.  So I just went with the numbers I got back.  And once in a blue moon, the lab would send a page with my log reductions graphed, or a page with an empty graph, or nothing.  It made me frustrated, but I had no control over it.  I imagined a bunch of monkeys running the lab. 

Well, I got the report via snail mail.  The PCR value said 0.015 (with a sensitivity of 1/100,000 and limit of <0.001).  I was shocked.  And my onc said it went down a little???  Well, it wasn't a log from my last number (.069), but it was what I considered a good dip.  And here's the clincher.  As I excitedly showed my husband and felt I was granted another year of life, at least, he read aloud:  "The standardized baseline is 100% BCR-ABL (IS) and the major molecular response is 0.1% BCR-ABL (IS).  The limit of detection is <0.001%." What the?!?!  The report NEVER said this before.  It appeared the lab had changed to the IS overnight.  I looked back at the last report and it had the same paragraph.  I never bothered to read the whole report.  For years it always said the same thing and IS was never a part of it, or this little, but greatly informative paragraph.  I looked up the previous reports and not one mentioned IS.

Trey, if you see this, you were right.  You said I had to be MMR by now.

This time, the lab sent a graph with my PCR values since 8/8/11.  The values looked the same as what they always had.  I didn't notice a change since the lab's conversion to IS.  I am confused if they are graphing my old PCR numbers with the new IS values.  It wouldn't surprise me.  Or, the lab was always using the IS and nobody knew.  That wouldn't surprise me either.  If this is accurate or new management, I am thrilled.  And it looks like I have been MMR since 11/8/11.  That would be consistent with the 60% who get it at a year to 18 months on Sprycel.  But I don't care.

I hope this number is correct.  I was so depressed with my onc telling me I had not achieved a MMR last month .  This has been a crazy ride.  I am so grateful to what you all have taught me about CML and PCR values.  And Trey, I want to kiss you! 

I will let my onc know what I found out at my next well visit in February.  If this is a dream, lab monkeys aside, don't pinch me!  Looks like you guys will have to put up with me for a little while longer.

Happy New Year to all my BIFs,

Tedsey



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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:37 AM

Hi Tedsey,

  There is so much joy in your post, I got goosebumps! I know it's been a rough and scary trip for you, having little ones makes it twice as scary. I think 2013 is going to be a better year for all of us. Now you can sit back and take a deep breath and relax. Brace yourself for the next 90 years, because you have children starting school!!! There will be times when you take the wrong child to little league practice when you are supposed to be picking up the other child from dance lessons. My kids are 18 months apart and once they started school we encouraged them to get involved in activities, boy did they get involved and I was always volunteered to be the taxi driver because I didn't work "full time".

  I'm so happy for you Have a happy and blessed New Year.         Love Billie



#3 TeddyB

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:11 AM

Very good news Tedsey!!

Happy new year



#4 Ray99

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 09:48 AM

Tedsey,

   Great news, I am happy for you.

   Congratulations and Happy and Healthy New Year!!



#5 Marnie

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 10:04 AM

Yea!!  Congratulations, Tedsey!!  Very happy for you!

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 10:34 AM

A new ending has been written to Madame Butterfly.....she flies away on beautiful gossamer wings and lives happily ever after.



#7 CallMeLucky

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 11:03 AM

"My last visit with her, she told me I was not MMR.  She calculated some numbers and told me I had to be something like .00009 or something (it had a lot of zeros).  It was a little perplexing for me, and I questioned what I thought I knew, but she is a hem/onc and I am not."

Yes your doctor is a Hem/Onc, but she is likely not a statistician.  I used to find it concerning that doctors don't seem to understand PCR log reductions much more than we do, then I realized it didn't matter that much as long as the number went down, got real low and stayed real low.

On the other hand, I know how hard it is to not think you are doing well and to hang on those results.  I am so very happy for you, I hear the excitement in your writing and I picture you with a well deserved smile.

You should probably get comfortable because it seems like you are going to be here for a while!


Date  -  Lab  -  Scale  -  Drug  -  Dosage MG  - PCR
2010/Jul -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 1.2%
2010/Oct -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.25%
2010/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.367%
2011/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.0081%
2011/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2011/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.00084%
2011/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.004%
2012/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2013/Jan -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  50-60-70  - 0%
2013/Mar -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  60-70  - 0%
2013/Apr -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.036%
2013/May -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.046%
2013/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.0239%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0192%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0034%
2013/Oct -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0054%
2014/Jan -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0093%
2014/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.013%
2014/Apr -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0048%
2014/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2014/Nov -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.047%
2014/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0228%
2016/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Dec - Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  100 - 0%
 

 


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Posted 27 December 2012 - 12:39 PM

Woohoo!  Congrats, Teds!  You deserve it!  Break out the bubbly!!!

That's a good reminder to all of us to check the fine print on our reports.  You never know when they change methods.

Traci



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Posted 27 December 2012 - 03:11 PM

   Great news Tedsey

   Congratulations and Happy New Year!

     M abdou



#10 GerryL

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 09:59 PM

Hi Tedsey,

Well done.



#11 PhilB

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:45 AM

Congratulations Tedsey.  I must have missed the biology lesson where the tortoise turned into a butterfly!



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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:46 PM

Hi:  I have missed so much with my computer problems all this time, but what great news the day I get back on here again.  What a great way to start 2013.  I think Billie is right, as we will get some great news from others as all this progress is being made in the treatment of CML.

     This Dec. 12th was 14 years since my diagnosis of CML, and I just Thanked God for what he has given me.

     Enjoy your New Years Day, and all the other ones you will get to celebrate in the future.

Susan



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Posted 29 December 2012 - 07:58 AM

O!M!G!, Teds, that is fantastic news! It's so good I can almost forgive your idiot onc! If docs are going to do certain tests I've always thought it was important that they should understand the results! Thank heavens we have Trey and others to explain them to us!

Happy New Year, indeed!

Pat


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"You can't change the direction of the wind but you can adjust your sails."

DX 12/08; Gleevec 400mg; liver toxicity; Sprycel 100mg.; CCyR 4/10; MMR 8/10; Pleural Effusion 2/12; Sprycel 50mg. Maintaining MMR; 2/15 PCRU; 8/16 drifting in and out of undetected like a wave meeting the shore. Retired 12/23/2016! 18 months of PCRU, most recent at Mayo on 7/25/17 was negative at their new sensitivity reporting of 0.003.<p>


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Posted 31 December 2012 - 05:31 PM

Tedsey,

I was unable to get onto this site  when you posted. That is such awesome news!! I feel bad that you were living with the misinformation you were when possibly you could have been rejoicing for quite awhile. Congratulations on your progress !! Yay !!!!!!  I toast you in the New Year as you celebrate your good news !!!  We welcome being able to "put up with you for a little awhile longer".

Susan,

I think of you often when I think of the uncertainty of disease management and successful remission at the time when you were diagnosed. Am so glad you are with us to offer your hopefulness and support ! Congratulation also on your 14 years !!!!

Janne


Dx'd: 8/2008. Started Gleevec 400 mg 11/08. 

Drug break 2011.

Started Tasigna 4/11 450 mg.

Reduction to 300 mg Tasigna 1/2012.

PCRU 9/2012.

12/2012 Detectable.

PCRU 4/2013 through 3/2015. (Reduced to 150 mg 7/2014)

12/2015  ? slightly detectable at probably less than 0.01% per Mayo Clinic.

4/2016 PCRU. Still at 150 mg Tasigna.

 

CESSATION: stopped treatment 7/20/2017. 

9/6/2017:  barely detectable at 0.01%. 

12/11/2017: PCR at 0.09% (did not do the monthly PCR testing.) 

12/18/2017: Inevitable call from Onc. Started back on Tasigna at 150 mg. (Considering Sprycel low dose.) 


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Posted 31 December 2012 - 10:15 PM

Wonderful news!!  Happy New Year!!



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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:58 PM

This is not a dream!!!! Oh I'm so happy for you Teds! This just made my day


Diagnosed 9 June 2011, Glivec 400mg June 2011-July 2017, Tasigna 600mg July 2017-present (switched due to intolerable side effects, and desire for future cessation attempt).

Commenced monthly testing when MR4.0 lost during 2012.

 

2017: <0.01, <0.01, 0.005 (200mg Glivec, Adelaide) <0.01, 0.001 (new test sensitivity)

2016: <0.01, <0.01, PCRU, 0.002 (Adelaide)

2015: <0.01, <0.01, <0.01, 0.013

2014: PCRU, <0.01, <0.01, <0.01, <0.01

2013: 0.01, 0.014, 0.016, 0.026, 0.041, <0.01, <0.01 

2012: <0.01, <0.01, 0.013, 0.032, 0.021

2011: 38.00, 12.00, 0.14


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Posted 03 January 2013 - 10:41 AM

I'm very happy for you Teds and Happy New Year!!!






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