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#1 Judy2

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 07:46 PM

Since it has been 5 mo. post dx and my PCR has not decreased does this mean my prognosis will not be as favorable as it would have been if I had responded sooner? Thanks in advance for any help.

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#2 GerryL

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 07:49 PM

If you haven't at least reached CHR (Complete Hematological Response) i would think they would be switching you to another drug.



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Posted 17 November 2011 - 09:09 PM

A fast and deep response is a good indicator for excellent long term response.  But the reverse is not so clear.  If a different drug works well, then there is no reason to expect a poor long term prognosis. 

You did not mention FISH tests, so I assume you are not having them done.  They are often more useful early on.  But if you are not seeing any response after 5 months, that would show the need for another drug.  It also would suggest that a 6 month BMB would be a good idea. 



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Posted 17 November 2011 - 09:12 PM

Judy - Change drugs.  Although FISH early on is a useful indicator - PCR should start to drop within the first 3 months.


Diagnosed 11 May 2011 (100% FiSH, 155% PCR)

with b2a2 BCR-ABL fusion transcript coding for the 210kDa BCR-ABL protein

 

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2015 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

2016 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale) 

March        2017 PCR:     0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

June          2017 PCR:     "undetected"

September 2017 PCR:     "undetected"


#5 Judy2

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 09:14 PM

I reached CHR in about 3 weeks, and have remained there. I was on Gleevec but switched to Tasigna just today. I was wondering, though, does it make a difference how long it takes to show a decrease in PCR results? If I haven't shown a decrease in 5 mo will my long term outcome be just as favorable as it would have been if I had shown a decrease by now?



#6 Judy2

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 09:19 PM

Thanks Trey and Scuba. I don't think a Fish was done, at least I can't find the results of one in the test results I have. I am having a 6mo. BMB done next month. My onc. said I should be at about 1% in my PCR results by  now so I guess I'm a little worried but hopefully I'll be able to tolerate the Tasigna and have good resuls with it.

Judy



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Posted 17 November 2011 - 11:22 PM

The Tasigna should give you a deeper and quicker response as it is a big improvement on the "old war horse" Gleevec. Keep your chin up, the month will be past before you know it and you more than likely will get a nice little Christmas present.



#8 Judy2

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Posted 17 November 2011 - 11:48 PM

I do think the Tasigna will work, I just hope I can tolerate the side effects.  Speaking of Christmas:

Question: Why did Mary have Jesus in a manger?

Answer: She was on an HMO.



#9 CallMeLucky

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 08:56 AM

Others made mention of this - using PCR early on is not the best test for tracking progress.  Until you achieve a cytogenetic response you should be having a FISH test done and seeing if it is decreasing.


Date  -  Lab  -  Scale  -  Drug  -  Dosage MG  - PCR
2010/Jul -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 1.2%
2010/Oct -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.25%
2010/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.367%
2011/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.0081%
2011/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2011/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.00084%
2011/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.004%
2012/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2013/Jan -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  50-60-70  - 0%
2013/Mar -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  60-70  - 0%
2013/Apr -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.036%
2013/May -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.046%
2013/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.0239%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0192%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0034%
2013/Oct -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0054%
2014/Jan -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0093%
2014/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.013%
2014/Apr -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0048%
2014/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2014/Nov -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.047%
2014/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0228%
2016/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Dec - Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  100 - 0%
 

 


#10 Judy2

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Posted 18 November 2011 - 01:14 PM

Thanks. I'll ask my onc. about the FISH test next time I see him.






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