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bcr-abl in the normal population ... study results


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#1 scuba

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 02:06 PM

Incidence of bcr‑abl fusion transcripts in healthy individuals

https://www.spandido...om/mmr/9/4/1271

 

"The present study screened for the presence of bcr‑abl transcripts in the blood of a group of healthy individuals using a sensitive‑nested reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction (RT‑PCR) assay."

 

"... the incidence of p210 translocation was higher in males (12.2%) compared with females (7.7%) and males were 2.4 times more likely to have the translocation. A significant incidence was also observed in adults compared with children, where adults were 6 times more likely to have the translocation. "

 


Diagnosed 11 May 2011 (100% FiSH, 155% PCR)

with b2a2 BCR-ABL fusion transcript coding for the 210kDa BCR-ABL protein

 

Sprycel: 20 mg per day - taken at lights out with Quercetin and/or Magnesium Taurate

6-8 grams Curcumin C3 complex.

 

2015 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

2016 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale) 

March        2017 PCR:     0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

June          2017 PCR:     "undetected"

September 2017 PCR:     "undetected"


#2 cmljax

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 02:21 PM

So would the PCR on the blood for these individuals be undetectable or would it show some really small number like .00001%?  It might say this in the study, but to be honest, I'm too lazy to read the whole thing.


Dx 9/26/16 WBC 28800; platelets 749; FISH 97% PCR 43%

Tasigna 600MG per day

October 2016                     PCR 22% IS

November 2016                 PCR 5.8% IS

December 2016                 PCR 0.1% IS  MMR!!

March 10, 2017                 PCR 0.006% IS  MR 4.22

Tasigna 450MG per day

April 5, 2017                      PCR <.003% IS

June 5, 2017                     PCR <.003% IS (dose reduction validated!!!)

Tasigna 300MG per day starting June 15, 2017

6-day drug break starting June 20, 2017 due to multiple AE's

July 24, 2017                     PCR <.003% IS

September 18, 2017          Negative, AKA PCRU

Tasigna 150mg per day starting 9/18/17

October 30, 2017               Negative

December 11, 2017           Negative


#3 scuba

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 02:24 PM

Undetectable is "undetectable" by the limit of the assay. So these individuals who make up the study were "detectable". Unfortunately, it doesn't report what the level of detection (at my first read). Perhaps others can find it.


Diagnosed 11 May 2011 (100% FiSH, 155% PCR)

with b2a2 BCR-ABL fusion transcript coding for the 210kDa BCR-ABL protein

 

Sprycel: 20 mg per day - taken at lights out with Quercetin and/or Magnesium Taurate

6-8 grams Curcumin C3 complex.

 

2015 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

2016 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale) 

March        2017 PCR:     0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

June          2017 PCR:     "undetected"

September 2017 PCR:     "undetected"


#4 Trey

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Posted 19 June 2017 - 05:12 PM

This is not a new issue.  Same old GIGO:

 

"...However, there may still be variation due to laboratory to laboratory variation, assay sensitivity and experimental errors, of which false positives may be a predominant issue, particularly with a highly sensitive method, such as nested RT-PCR."






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