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#1 kat73

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 03:12 PM

This past January 10th I had to stop my Sprycel 70 mg temporarily in order to get over a pleural effusion.  The pleural effusion was half gone by two weeks later; almost entirely gone at the end of Feb.  My CML history was that I was laid pretty low by the side effects of fatigue and depression when I started on Gleevec back in 2009.  There were other side effects that were equally awful:  malaise, anxiety, periorbital edema, random nausea, persistent myelosuppression, kidney dysfunction.  After two years of this, I switched onc's, medical centers, and tki -  to Sprycel.  Most of the side effects disappeared.  The kidney impairment (all docs in agreement was caused by Gleevec) appears to be permanent, but stable.  As the years rolled by, the fatigue/depression hung around in spots, mildly, but then despite therapy, got steadily worse until it was a real chronic problem, completely eroding the quality of my life.  This past year was pretty relentlessly dark.  Every physical movement had to be well-considered first as to whether or not it could be done and, if so, was it worth it.  Nothing about life was good. 

 

Two and a half weeks into being off Sprycel, I woke up one morning OK.  I was OK.  Everything was OK.  I got all my energy back.  Everything seemed doable.  I could talk and think normally fast.  I could move.  My muscles were weak, but in a different way - my legs didn't feel like they were bags filled with wet sand - they felt like they were engaged, but needed to do more, and like they COULD do more.  All things seemed possible, with time.  I looked forward to things I had turned down before.  I could plan.  I could say yes.  I noticed all the pretty things around me, felt the breeze coming in the window, jumped up to fetch my own soft drink - even asked my husband if he wanted anything while I was up (!), ran up and down the stairs for items without thinking about it, parked the car without thinking about how far away the store was.  I suddenly noticed other people and their problems - like my husband! - and started to help.  Every day has been a good day since.  I'm still a lazy, neurotic, procrastinating, imperfect human being, but I haven't felt more myself since before September 10, 2009 when I took my first Gleevec.  I never thought I would ever feel this way again - I had totally given that idea up as fantasy - and had tried hard to adapt to a diminished life.

 

So, this was definitely a real thing.  Possible causes:  the pleural effusion had probably been there for many months and possibly made me feel worse than anybody would have thought.  I didn't have any overt symptoms, but when I finally said the magic words, "short of breath" (which I didn't really think I was - meh) everybody rushed into position and the Sprycel was promptly stopped.  So, the resolution of the pleural effusion may have made the difference.  Or, depression is supposedly self-limiting and cycles in people - maybe this was coincidence?  Or, it was the Sprycel.

 

There were two other very noticeable things that came back:  skin color and eyebrows.  Almost overnight my skin was the color it used to be, and I no longer had to cover myself with bronzer just to not scare the horses.  My eyebrow hairs came roaring back, and they were even all going the correct direction!  That was a nice surprise.

 

But now comes the Flowers for Algernon (Charly) part.  I will have to go back, of course.  I've now been off 10 weeks; I will probably re-start at 12 weeks (3 months.)  For the past five years my PCR's have all had a nice zero to the right of the decimal point; lately I had even been receiving the report: "below the level of quantification (< 0.01% IS)".  The PCR at 5 weeks off was 0.02.  I just had another one done at 9 weeks off, and I fully expect that to be higher still.  In hopes that I can stave off another pleural effusion, but even more significantly to ME, the soul-sucking fatigue and hellish depression, I'm going to ask my onc to let me go back at 20 mg.  He will say no.  I have been at 70 mg since 2011. 

 

I like Sprycel, all things considered, and I don't want to switch.  There are case studies that show Bosutinib can worsen pleural effusions from Sprycel, possibly because they both impact Src.  All the TKI's cause fatigue.  I was much, much, much worse off on Gleevec; why would Tasigna be different for me?  While it's true I haven't had the requisite 2 years of PCRU, I have been between MR3.5 and 4.5 for five years.  I'm officially elderly (gag) and probably would be better off with a lower dose anyway.  I would like to propose to the onc that I go back on at 20 mg and see if I can get back to a PCR of <0.01, even if it takes most of a year.  Isn't this a reasonable course? 

 

 


Dx July 2009 on routine physical.  WBC 94.  Started Gleevec 400 mg Sept 2009.  MMR at 2yrs.  Side effects (malaise, depression/anxiety, fatigue, nausea, periorbital edema) never improved.  Kidney issues developed because of Gleevec.  Switched to Sprycel 70 mg in Aug 2011.  Above side effects disappeared or improved.  Have been MR3.5 - 4.5 ever since.  Two untreated pleural effusions followed by one treated by stopping Sprycel Jan 2017.  After 9 weeks, PCR showed loss of MMR; re-started Sprycel at 50 mg and in 3 months was back to <0.01% IS.  Pleural effusion returned within a couple of months, same as before (moderate, left side only).  Stopped Sprycel 50 mg for 12 weeks; pleural effusion resolved.  At about a monthoff the drug, PCR was 0.03; at 11 weeks it was 2.06 - lost CCyR? Have returned to 50 mg Sprycel for 3 weeks, intending to reduce to 20 mg going forward.


#2 cmljax

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Posted 22 March 2017 - 04:51 PM

Given you history, I'd fight like hell for 20 with 2 30-day PCR tests to track progress. You can always go up to 50 if 20 doesn't work.  I think the risk of this approach is very low based on what Dr. Cortes is doing with many of his patients at MD Anderson (ask Scuba). I just fought my onc to drop from 600 to 450 Tasigna after just 5 months of therapy, but my results were so amazingly good, I am hoping my threshold level is even lower than 450mg.  We will see as I had to agree to monthly PCR's.  We all need to find the right dose that balances side effects with containing the CML.

 

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Dx 9/26/16 WBC 28800; platelets 749; FISH 97% PCR 43%

Tasigna 600MG per day

October 2016                     PCR 22% IS

November 2016                 PCR 5.8% IS

December 2016                 PCR 0.1% IS  MMR!!

March 10, 2017                 PCR 0.006% IS  MR 4.22

Tasigna 450MG per day

April 5, 2017                      PCR <.003% IS

June 5, 2017                     PCR <.003% IS (dose reduction validated!!!)

Tasigna 300MG per day starting June 15, 2017

6-day drug break starting June 20, 2017 due to multiple AE's

July 24, 2017                     PCR <.003% IS

September 18, 2017          Negative, AKA PCRU

Tasigna 150mg per day starting 9/18/17

October 30, 2017               Negative

December 11, 2017           Negative


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Posted 22 March 2017 - 04:59 PM

Kat73 wrote,

 

"I would like to propose to the onc that I go back on at 20 mg and see if I can get back to a PCR of <0.01, even if it takes most of a year.  Isn't this a reasonable course? "

 

Perhaps you can share with your Oncologist my story ....

 

I am treated by Dr. Jorge Cortes at M.D. Anderson - one of only a few specialist researchers in the field. He has me on 20mg Sprycel which has been keeping my PCR at < 0.01%. for years.  I believe your suggestion is reasonable for your Onc to consider.

 

Further, I was prescribed only 20mg sprycel when my PCR was much much higher and my PCR came down very quickly even on that low dose. Dr. Cortes believes that Sprycel is very potent and when it works it works great at lower doses than currently recommended. 


Diagnosed 11 May 2011 (100% FiSH, 155% PCR)

with b2a2 BCR-ABL fusion transcript coding for the 210kDa BCR-ABL protein

 

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2015 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

2016 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale) 

March        2017 PCR:     0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

June          2017 PCR:     "undetected"

September 2017 PCR:     "undetected"


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Posted 23 March 2017 - 09:29 AM

kat,

 

If your onc won't agree to 20, then ask about 50. If that works for you, you are then in a better position to discuss a further reduction down the road. I say "if" because dose reduction doesn't work for everyone; Gunner had to switch to Tasigna, as I recall, because a lower dose didn't keep him from having pleural effusions. I think, anecdotally anyway, from posts on this board that there is a larger number of us for which dose reduction has worked.

 

I've spent the last 2 years rotating between undetectable and a very slight noise on my PCR. The past two have been undetectable, if that continues for the next two (one more year) I will have the discussion about reducing to 20, if only because I will then see a 50% reduction in cost. My onc is pretty good about listening to me so I am hopeful.

 

Your post made me sad, kat; we shouldn't have to live feeling the way you described. I get the Flowers for Algernon analogy, I've used it myself in a much earlier post. We're all lab rats on this bus anyway, but fortunately and we're intelligent enough to get a chance at taking the wheel!

 

Good luck!


Edited by hannibellemo, 27 March 2017 - 07:32 AM.

Pat

 

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DX 12/08; Gleevec 400mg; liver toxicity; Sprycel 100mg.; CCyR 4/10; MMR 8/10; Pleural Effusion 2/12; Sprycel 50mg. Maintaining MMR; 2/15 PCRU; 8/16 drifting in and out of undetected like a wave meeting the shore. Retired 12/23/2016! 18 months of PCRU, most recent at Mayo on 7/25/17 was negative at their new sensitivity reporting of 0.003.<p>


#5 Dona_B

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 10:31 AM

Kat,

I'm glad you got your life back even if it was for just a little while. Hoping and praying your onc. will be cooperative to at least trying 20 mg and following CMLJAX's 30 day testing suggestion. Quality of life is worth fighting for.


DX 1/14; Sprycel 100 Mg, liver toxicity; Sprycel 80 Mg; down to 50 Mg for 5 months. Numbers going up. Back to 80 Mg 10/16 (with 50s slipped in to use up) BCR/ABL: .0047 12/15; .0302 4/16;  .0528 8/16;  .084 10/16; .045, 1/17 back up on 80 mg Sprycel; .006, 3/17; .016, 7/17; Shingles 8/17


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Posted 23 March 2017 - 10:42 AM

Thanks cmljax, scuba, and hannibellamo.  I just now opened an email from the onc - the latest PCR is 0.47, so I've lost MMR at 9 weeks off a tki.  Wow.  Even he was a tad alarmed.  That's a number I haven't seen since 2010!  He wants me to go back to 70 mg (and, naturally, I don't any longer have any of those in the house - I do have an unopened batch of 50's which I never got to start because of the pleural effusion.)  Via email, I have proposed splitting those and re-checking PCR in a month.  I doubt he's going to agree, but we'll see.  Pat, I sure never thought I might not be able to take Sprycel someday, like Gunner.  I won't go there, yet.

 

I have a question - is there any significance to how fast and hard the CML took hold after stopping the Sprycel?  I went from a  consistent barely detectable to 0.02 in a month, and in another month lost MMR completely.  Does this tell me anything about the future?


Dx July 2009 on routine physical.  WBC 94.  Started Gleevec 400 mg Sept 2009.  MMR at 2yrs.  Side effects (malaise, depression/anxiety, fatigue, nausea, periorbital edema) never improved.  Kidney issues developed because of Gleevec.  Switched to Sprycel 70 mg in Aug 2011.  Above side effects disappeared or improved.  Have been MR3.5 - 4.5 ever since.  Two untreated pleural effusions followed by one treated by stopping Sprycel Jan 2017.  After 9 weeks, PCR showed loss of MMR; re-started Sprycel at 50 mg and in 3 months was back to <0.01% IS.  Pleural effusion returned within a couple of months, same as before (moderate, left side only).  Stopped Sprycel 50 mg for 12 weeks; pleural effusion resolved.  At about a monthoff the drug, PCR was 0.03; at 11 weeks it was 2.06 - lost CCyR? Have returned to 50 mg Sprycel for 3 weeks, intending to reduce to 20 mg going forward.


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Posted 23 March 2017 - 11:09 AM

kat, the 50mg should suffice to bring your CML under control.  With regard to your going to 0.47 in two months; that's an indication that if you were previously undetectable, it wasn't at a very deep level, rather just below detectable.  We can't predict the future; we can only deal with what is.  


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02/2010 Gleevec 400mg

2011 Two weakly positives, PCRU, weakly positive

2012 PCRU, PCRU, PCRU, PCRU

2013 PCRU, PCRU, PCRU, weakly positive

2014 PCRU, PCRU, PCRU, PCRU (12/07 began dose reduction w/each continuing PCRU)

2015 300, 250, 200, 150

2016 100, 50/100, 100, 10/17 TFR

2017 01/17 TFR, 04/18 TFR, 07/18 TFR 0.0012, 08/29 TFR 0.001, 10/17 TFR 0.000

2018 01/16 TFR 0.0004 ... next quarterly PCR 04/17

 

At the earliest opportunity, and whenever possible, lower your TKI dosage; TKIs are toxic drugs and the less we take longterm the better off we are going to be ... this is especially true for older adults.  

 

In hindsight I should have started my dosage reduction two years earlier; it might have helped minimize some of the longterm cumulative toxic effects of TKIs that I am beset with.  

 

longterm side-effects Peripheral Artery Disease - legs (it's a bitch); continuing shoulder problems, right elbow inflammation.   GFR and creatinine vastly improved after stopping Gleevec.

 

Cumulative Gleevec dosage estimated at 830 grams

 

Taking Gleevec 400mg an hour after my largest meal of the day helped eliminate the nausea that Gleevec is notorious for.  

 

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 03:17 PM

Kat....I went from 3.276 to 4.1 in 10 days, my doc said it would do nothing but increase 10 fold if I continued off. I will have completed my first week on sprycel 100 tonight. My former tki was tasigna. These side affects stink but I'm hoping to get a deeper response with sprycel, because I haven't put the baby thing to rest....just for now:( I really hope you feel better, sorry about the jump in pcr it's Damn near like being diagnosed all over again. ...uuhhhgg. vicious cycle we all endure I guess.:(

Diagnosed Oct 2013 Started 600mg of Tasigna  on Nov 4th. Lowered dose a few months later to 300mg due to side affects stayed here declining PCR until March 2015 small jump from 0.0072 to 0.0083 scarred my doc into full dose of Tasigna again 600mg(been miserable since) but reached PCRU 06/15/2015(next test) and have been there ever since. Hoping to have another little one. I have the support of my doc to go off anytime, just scared to jump. might go two years PCRU but he said it wont make much of a difference. I just figured I could possibly go into a trial while preggers if I got the two years behind me.

Nov 8th 2017 went off Tasigna

Dec 1st PCRU off TKI

Jan 5th PCR Detected .0625

Feb 1st PCR Detected .7815

Added 8-6 grams Curcumin daily in Feb

March 3rd PCR Detected 3.2646 YIKES!

 stopped trying for baby after February reading. will start new TKI march 16th 2017 (Sprycel)

FYI I'm not done trying for my last little one.


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Posted 23 March 2017 - 04:49 PM

Kat, the speed of the return just means it comes back hard and fast. Dr Hughes likens it to blast phase speed, it is why monthly blood tests for that first six months are recommended.

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 04:51 PM

Well, got the answer from the onc about starting back with 20 mg:

 

"NO - please take full dose until we get a response - then we will consider backing off...ok?  We want to lower risk of drug resistance emerging!  It might happen - but we do not want to contribute to it..."

 

So, there I am.  Thanks also, Dona_B, Buzzm and Frogiegirl.  You're right, Frogiegirl, it was a very weird feeling to stare at a number that took me all the way back to near the beginning, almost 7 years ago. It feels like no real progress has been made, you know?  To work for all those years and then stop for a mere 63 days and have it all blow up in my face and back to Square One.  Chutes and Ladders!

 

OK, enough feeling sorry for myself at this point. 

 

Thanks, Gerry, just saw your post.  Feels better to hope it doesn't mean anything particularly bad.  Guess that "roaring back" part is a good wake-up call against complacency.  I've probably been guilty of that. 


Dx July 2009 on routine physical.  WBC 94.  Started Gleevec 400 mg Sept 2009.  MMR at 2yrs.  Side effects (malaise, depression/anxiety, fatigue, nausea, periorbital edema) never improved.  Kidney issues developed because of Gleevec.  Switched to Sprycel 70 mg in Aug 2011.  Above side effects disappeared or improved.  Have been MR3.5 - 4.5 ever since.  Two untreated pleural effusions followed by one treated by stopping Sprycel Jan 2017.  After 9 weeks, PCR showed loss of MMR; re-started Sprycel at 50 mg and in 3 months was back to <0.01% IS.  Pleural effusion returned within a couple of months, same as before (moderate, left side only).  Stopped Sprycel 50 mg for 12 weeks; pleural effusion resolved.  At about a monthoff the drug, PCR was 0.03; at 11 weeks it was 2.06 - lost CCyR? Have returned to 50 mg Sprycel for 3 weeks, intending to reduce to 20 mg going forward.


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Posted 23 March 2017 - 06:58 PM

To work for all those years and then stop for a mere 63 days and have it all blow up in my face and back to Square One.  

kat, 0.47 is still a relatively low level


For the benefit of yourself and others please add your CML history into your Signature

 

02/2010 Gleevec 400mg

2011 Two weakly positives, PCRU, weakly positive

2012 PCRU, PCRU, PCRU, PCRU

2013 PCRU, PCRU, PCRU, weakly positive

2014 PCRU, PCRU, PCRU, PCRU (12/07 began dose reduction w/each continuing PCRU)

2015 300, 250, 200, 150

2016 100, 50/100, 100, 10/17 TFR

2017 01/17 TFR, 04/18 TFR, 07/18 TFR 0.0012, 08/29 TFR 0.001, 10/17 TFR 0.000

2018 01/16 TFR 0.0004 ... next quarterly PCR 04/17

 

At the earliest opportunity, and whenever possible, lower your TKI dosage; TKIs are toxic drugs and the less we take longterm the better off we are going to be ... this is especially true for older adults.  

 

In hindsight I should have started my dosage reduction two years earlier; it might have helped minimize some of the longterm cumulative toxic effects of TKIs that I am beset with.  

 

longterm side-effects Peripheral Artery Disease - legs (it's a bitch); continuing shoulder problems, right elbow inflammation.   GFR and creatinine vastly improved after stopping Gleevec.

 

Cumulative Gleevec dosage estimated at 830 grams

 

Taking Gleevec 400mg an hour after my largest meal of the day helped eliminate the nausea that Gleevec is notorious for.  

 

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 08:31 PM

I always figured if/when it returns I'll hit it will full level of Gleevec, just to knock it down to negative and then lower dosage.

 

But I think now I would look at things a little differently if it had come roaring back. If my immune response (if that's what keeps some of us negative whilst off the TKI) can't manage it anyway, then what does PCRU really mean, other than their testing isn't good enough to indicate it is still there below the surface. If a lower dosage can keep it in hand and maybe bring you back to negative a bit more slowly, then why not?



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Posted 23 March 2017 - 08:51 PM

I am taking  now 40 mg of Sprycel with 30 mg of pioglitazone.     

The last PCR test was good. The pleural effusion is less.



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Posted 24 March 2017 - 12:16 AM

Hopefully soon there will be a test that shows how much TKI a particular person needs to maintain MMR4 or 5?


Diagnosed 3/2014 WBC 28 Non detectable within 3 monthsGleevec 400 mg 5/2014 one hour after dinner really improves nausea300 mg 12/15/2016200 mg and 300 mg Gleevec 2/25/2017 (after 3 years on Gleevec) For last four months taking 300 mg per day. Last CMC showed liver enzymes elevated, went to a good Naturopath and he recommended 4 Tumeric, 10,000 mg Vitamen D, and 3 milk thistle (silymarin) daily. Also use One<p>Day Detox Dandeloin tea, and Nettle Tea and a slice of ginger every day...in two months liver tests were below normal.Janis

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Posted 24 March 2017 - 11:08 AM

Thanks, Buzzm.  But I won't relax until I've gotten MMR back, and I won't be happy until I get my beloved zero-to-the-right back.  Gerry, I get your reasoning; wish my onc did.  Since he's one of the holy panel of CML experts, I have to rely on his take.  Survenant, I am so interested in your pioglitazone combo - keep us posted!  I will ask my onc about it.  Jmoorhou, yeah, that would (will?) be great.  Until then, I guess trial and error rules the dosage day. 

 

I woke up this AM with the gloggy head - I had forgotten all about  that side effect. It had disappeared completely while off Sprycel.  One pill, it's back.  I have to fight the thought that my lung linings are slowly filling, also.  Must change my thoughts to envisioning CML buggers being zapped, instead!


Dx July 2009 on routine physical.  WBC 94.  Started Gleevec 400 mg Sept 2009.  MMR at 2yrs.  Side effects (malaise, depression/anxiety, fatigue, nausea, periorbital edema) never improved.  Kidney issues developed because of Gleevec.  Switched to Sprycel 70 mg in Aug 2011.  Above side effects disappeared or improved.  Have been MR3.5 - 4.5 ever since.  Two untreated pleural effusions followed by one treated by stopping Sprycel Jan 2017.  After 9 weeks, PCR showed loss of MMR; re-started Sprycel at 50 mg and in 3 months was back to <0.01% IS.  Pleural effusion returned within a couple of months, same as before (moderate, left side only).  Stopped Sprycel 50 mg for 12 weeks; pleural effusion resolved.  At about a monthoff the drug, PCR was 0.03; at 11 weeks it was 2.06 - lost CCyR? Have returned to 50 mg Sprycel for 3 weeks, intending to reduce to 20 mg going forward.


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Posted 24 March 2017 - 03:17 PM

I am taking  now 40 mg of Sprycel with 30 mg of pioglitazone.     
The last PCR test was good. The pleural effusion is less.


Hi servenant,

Thanks for posting it! Are you in a clinical trial of combo of TKI and pioglotazone? I would like to hear more and updates from you about it.

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Posted 25 March 2017 - 09:40 AM

kat,

 

With my pleural effusion, after nearly 3 months off Sprycel, I lost CCyR. It was important to my onc to avoid another TKI, because he knew how awful my acclimation was to Sprycel and that I definitely didn't want to go through that again with yet another TKI. He also wanted to reduce my chances at another pleural effusion. There was no talk about concern of drug resistance, he just didn't believe that was a concern at the still low level I was at (just barely above 1.0%).

 

At 50 mg. it took me almost 15 months to get back down to MMR and then another two years found me at undetectable.

 

You want to avoid another pleural effusion and the best (only?) way to do that is to reduce your Sprycel. I don't know anyone who has remained effusion free at the same dosage level where they experienced the first one.


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"You can't change the direction of the wind but you can adjust your sails."

DX 12/08; Gleevec 400mg; liver toxicity; Sprycel 100mg.; CCyR 4/10; MMR 8/10; Pleural Effusion 2/12; Sprycel 50mg. Maintaining MMR; 2/15 PCRU; 8/16 drifting in and out of undetected like a wave meeting the shore. Retired 12/23/2016! 18 months of PCRU, most recent at Mayo on 7/25/17 was negative at their new sensitivity reporting of 0.003.<p>


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Posted 25 March 2017 - 11:05 AM

Pat - Thank you SO much for this.  Although it's a shock to me that it might take me that many months to "get back," I am heartened by your undetectable at the end of the road.  To think that you lost CCyR and still have made it to PCRU is very encouraging to me.  I hope that the difference between 70 mg (what I had been on for 5 years and had the pleural effusions with) and 50 mg will be enough to stave off the pleural effusions.  I guess now only time will tell.  I hope the tale comes out like yours!


Dx July 2009 on routine physical.  WBC 94.  Started Gleevec 400 mg Sept 2009.  MMR at 2yrs.  Side effects (malaise, depression/anxiety, fatigue, nausea, periorbital edema) never improved.  Kidney issues developed because of Gleevec.  Switched to Sprycel 70 mg in Aug 2011.  Above side effects disappeared or improved.  Have been MR3.5 - 4.5 ever since.  Two untreated pleural effusions followed by one treated by stopping Sprycel Jan 2017.  After 9 weeks, PCR showed loss of MMR; re-started Sprycel at 50 mg and in 3 months was back to <0.01% IS.  Pleural effusion returned within a couple of months, same as before (moderate, left side only).  Stopped Sprycel 50 mg for 12 weeks; pleural effusion resolved.  At about a monthoff the drug, PCR was 0.03; at 11 weeks it was 2.06 - lost CCyR? Have returned to 50 mg Sprycel for 3 weeks, intending to reduce to 20 mg going forward.


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Posted 25 March 2017 - 07:05 PM

Hi, Kat. . . sorry you are going through this. It stinks.  My situation is similar to Pat's.  I had to go off Sprycel due to pleural effusion.  After restarting (at 50mg) it took me a long time to get back to PCRu.  I have since dropped down to ~25 mg (splitting 50s), and had been holding PCRu -- for about a year and a half.  Now, darn it, I'm detectable again.  It's a bummer.  I'll continue 25 mg until my next PCR in 3 months and then see where the trend goes.  That means I'll be on pins and needles wondering if I'm doing the right thing, or if I would be smarter to up it to 50 mg. 

 

I don't mean to preach, but try to keep the head games to a minimum, which is easier said than done.  Hopefully you won't be on 70 mg long enough to develop p.e.  And hopefully 70 will be enough to start bringing your numbers down quickly.  My doc and I are working together to find the dose that is high enough to be effective, while low enough to keep p.e. at bay.  Sounds like your onc is taking the same approach.

 

Good luck! 

Marnie



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Posted 26 March 2017 - 08:13 AM

Thanks, Marnie.  Yes, I remembered that your experience has been a lot like mine, as well - I watch your posts in particular!  He has me "back" on 50 mg not 70 mg btw, and we'll just have to see how that goes.  I so hope you get your PCRU back - I know how, when you reach a goal, it's so, so hard to be thrown backwards from it, even if you're still technically pretty safe.  You must have had the CML beaten WAY back to the deep dark Pleistocene for it to have taken so long to make it back to detectable-land.  I sure hope you can stay on the 25 mg dose - pls keep us posted!  It's a real balancing act, isn't it?  You're right about the head games - that's my main project, to stay on top of that, since there isn't anything I can do about CML.


Dx July 2009 on routine physical.  WBC 94.  Started Gleevec 400 mg Sept 2009.  MMR at 2yrs.  Side effects (malaise, depression/anxiety, fatigue, nausea, periorbital edema) never improved.  Kidney issues developed because of Gleevec.  Switched to Sprycel 70 mg in Aug 2011.  Above side effects disappeared or improved.  Have been MR3.5 - 4.5 ever since.  Two untreated pleural effusions followed by one treated by stopping Sprycel Jan 2017.  After 9 weeks, PCR showed loss of MMR; re-started Sprycel at 50 mg and in 3 months was back to <0.01% IS.  Pleural effusion returned within a couple of months, same as before (moderate, left side only).  Stopped Sprycel 50 mg for 12 weeks; pleural effusion resolved.  At about a monthoff the drug, PCR was 0.03; at 11 weeks it was 2.06 - lost CCyR? Have returned to 50 mg Sprycel for 3 weeks, intending to reduce to 20 mg going forward.






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