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#1 Cathy

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Posted 19 November 2015 - 08:40 AM

HI,  I was wondering if anyone has a good onocologist in the Cleveland area, I assume at Cleveland clinic, I know its been mentioned before but I'm seriously thinking of changing onocologist. And one that is compasionate, and listens to you one you really like and feel confident with.  I love my dr but am afriad doesn't have creative ideas to help me.

 

I've been on this journey 5 1/2 years have had a llot of problems, mine never seems to do what its suppose to, but my numbers are low. But they really, jump around allot and I have never hit MMR in 5 1/2 years. I go to a very compasionate onc/hem Dr love the staff and him  is why I've never changed. I just got my blood draw yesterday so I don't know new numbers but they are around. .265 or .365 once in the last 5 times it was .595 something sorry don't have numbers with me right now.  I should be MMR and I know I can servive fine with low numbers but I would really like to get to MMR and hold it. He doesn't have many cml patients but he does confer with a specialist and they say I'm fine keep on track. If I raise my Sprycel, I'm at 70, now my blood tanked last time. Maybe it would not this time?  At least I go every 3 months for a while now.

 

Marnie I know your numbers have jumped around also. Have you ever hit MMR?

 

I just keep thinking is it okay to never see MMR? I've always been a turtle.

 

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Cathy


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DX 5-2010  Started normal hydra then Gleevec for 9 months stopped working

Tasigna after 5 pills pancreatis  numbers jumped up quickly

Started Sprycel 100, 8-2010  for a 3 years went down to 50 mg numbers at one point really jumped up quickly

currently on 70 mg for last 2-3 years trying to get onc to reduce dose Numbers never stabilize never MMR till 4-2017 bearly and jump up and down in and out of MMR stayed MMR for 3 months then

After 6 years on sprycel fluid on both lungs, drained still have some fluid on lungs, and currently off drug 4 months now

numbers lower then ever go figure I've never been this low of a number 

last 2 tests .0686 and .0181 !!

 


#2 soundoff

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Posted 29 November 2015 - 03:58 AM

Your numbers look ok to me

#3 Marnie

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Posted 29 November 2015 - 10:18 AM

Hi, Cathy. . .

 

I understand your frustration!  My numbers have jumped around a bit, but have been consistently close to or under MMR.  I have blood work on Tuesday, and I'm hoping to see PCRu again since my last few draws have been getting close. 

 

I went through quite a few oncologists, trying to find the right one.  I probably jumped ship on one doc when I didn't need to.  He knew his stuff and was easy to talk to, but somehow, every time I left his office, I would get home with more questions than I had when I got there.  I decided that his communication style just didn't work for me.  Looking back. . . I think he was just fine and knew what he was doing.  Perhaps I should have stayed with him.  Luckily, I've found someone I like even better.  The difficulty is that if you leave your current onc, and DON'T find someone better, it will be uncomfortable to go back.

 

As Soundoff said, your numbers are probably fine.  But if they were my numbers, I'd be frustrated too.  Especially when you hear all of the people on here who have been PCRu forever.  You do need to keep in mind that perhaps the most frequent postings come from people who are doing well.  There are lots of folks out there who are struggling with mediocre numbers.

 

It sounds like you are doing the same thing that I am doing. . .trying to find the balance of lowest dose that maintains reasonable numbers, and doesn't create side-effect issues.  I'm not sure that a different doctor would be able to offer you any other alternatives.  CML is a numbers game.  For most of us it's a matter of staying the course and maintaining our stress level in order to have a pretty normal life.  Those who don't respond to TKIs are the ones really fighting the battle. 

 

I think you should voice your concerns with your oncologist.  It's difficult to be honest about one's negative feelings toward a person, but if you let him know that his lack of suggestions is frustrating and that not being at MMR creates anxiety for you, that might help your doctor/patient relationship.  Maybe you could make an appointment to speak directly with the CML specialist, though that may be a waste of time and money.  You really only need a specialist if the TKIs aren't working, and it looks like they are for you.  That said, peace-of-mind is worth a lot, and a specialist might be able to give you that.

 

I think you should write down your feelings and concerns, let it sit for awhile, then read through it and rewrite it until it feels good, and then bring it to your next appointment and tell him what it says.  Read if verbatim if you need to.  If a different doc would give you more confidence, then try another doc.  CML will be with you forever (or until they find a cure, which might be in our lifetime) so having a trusting relation with your oncologist is paramount.

 

Good luck,

Marnie



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Posted 29 November 2015 - 09:24 PM

Hi Cathy, 

 

    Speaking from personal experience here. You and I are basically in the same boat. I am 5 years in and have never hit MMR. I mostly sit around . 2   . I have been to Dr. Talpaz and have had email correspondance with Dr. Druker and they both have said the same thing. "There is no reason to switch therapy unless you lose CCyR." I've cried about, been depressed about it and have over the past few years come to peace with a it. Both Talpaz and Druker have said positive things to me though. Talpaz told me " Do not be anxious, you will live to be 80".....LOL and Dr. Druker told me "I have a number of patients that have never reached MMR and I consider a stable CCYR to be just as durable as an MMR". Other studies have shown that MMR is somewhat, but not totally irrelevant. CCYR continues to be the gold standard. I think you should consider your disease "frozen". Not getting better, but not getting worse. All you need this disease to do is not be a threat and right now, your disease is not a threat. -Josh



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Posted 30 November 2015 - 03:08 AM

I finally reached MMR this month after 5 years and 9 months. I am on my 5th TKI (bosutinib) plus 3 changes in dosage.

After year 1 of less than optimal response, I went to see a hematologist at an academic medical center, with a referral from my diagnosing doctor. I have been changing my TKIs more because of side effects than response (I achieved CCyR in year 1 and have never lost it.)

You seem to have a stable and good response. However, if you have not been seen at a major academic center, it would be totally appropriate for you to discuss this with your doctor.

Interestingly, a nurse from my insurance company called and encouraged me to go to a major academic center for evaluation in the first year, at their expense, even before I had arranged it. However, I did not need their expense money since the center was 2 miles from my home.

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 09:12 AM

Good Morning,

 

Thank you all for your replies and sorry I hadn't got back with you busy holiday weekend. Hope all had a nice holiday. I can't tell you how much I appreciate all your comments and how much better I feel. I figured there were others out there and feel so much better knowing I'm not the only one. I knew in my head everything is fine. I'm on 70 sprycel and do not wish to go up I feel better at 50 so maybe in time I'll try to go back down. Marnie your toughts about a new onc made me feel so much better too I love my guy and don't want to change. he's so convenient. I have confidence in my onc I just wanted to be MMR after 5 1/2 years.

 

Josh if Dr talpaz and Druker are saying the same thing as my doctor I think I'll just stay put.  Because he has been saying the same thing! about my concerns Marnie I did talk to him last time and he was fine with if I wanted to go see another doctor but assured me I was doing fine. The specialist said the same thing everything is fine.

I'm going to put this even more behind me but you all put my mind at ease more. And I appreciate you taking the time to reply.

 

Wishing everyone health and happiness,

 

Thank you

 

Cathy


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DX 5-2010  Started normal hydra then Gleevec for 9 months stopped working

Tasigna after 5 pills pancreatis  numbers jumped up quickly

Started Sprycel 100, 8-2010  for a 3 years went down to 50 mg numbers at one point really jumped up quickly

currently on 70 mg for last 2-3 years trying to get onc to reduce dose Numbers never stabilize never MMR till 4-2017 bearly and jump up and down in and out of MMR stayed MMR for 3 months then

After 6 years on sprycel fluid on both lungs, drained still have some fluid on lungs, and currently off drug 4 months now

numbers lower then ever go figure I've never been this low of a number 

last 2 tests .0686 and .0181 !!

 





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