Jump to content


Photo

Holidays make the anxiety worse


  • Please log in to reply
7 replies to this topic

#1 CallMeLucky

CallMeLucky

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 216 posts
  • LocationCT

Posted 27 November 2014 - 10:10 AM

Does anyone find the holidays invoke more anxiety about their situation?  Since I have had CML, holidays have been so difficult.  The ones where I felt my status was stable were easier, but still hard.  When things are more up in the air they can be downright torture.  Right after diagnosis they were unbearable.  Everyone seems so happy and I try, but on the inside I am in hell.  I know my torment stems from trying so hard to cling to something (life, family, etc.) but I find it hard to let go in a rationale way.  Holidays always make me see the future through my twisted lens when I'm not around anymore and thinking of my children going through that breaks my heart.

 

I know my status is still ok, and there is a chance things will level off and maybe even go back down.  I'm still MMR and I try to hold to that  I know there are others not doing as well who would like to be where I am.  I just have this fear that I am becoming resistant and what will that mean.  To be honest that part is really not the problem.  The CML is going to do what it wants whether I dwell on it or not.  But I just can't seem to get past this.  I've tried talking to people about it (professional therapists, clergy, friends, family) but nothing seems to change the way I think.  It comes in waves but when it is here it takes so much away.

 

I've been reading a book about the way the brain works and how anxiety develops.  I have a decent grasp of the academics of it, I was hoping that by understanding it I could make it less frightening and more manageable ( I did the same when I learned as much as I could about CML) but it doesn't help.

 

Curious if anyone else has similar issues around the holidays and what if any coping mechanisms you have tried and found useful.

 

Thanks and Happy Thanksgiving.


Date  -  Lab  -  Scale  -  Drug  -  Dosage MG  - PCR
2010/Jul -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 1.2%
2010/Oct -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.25%
2010/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.367%
2011/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.0081%
2011/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2011/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.00084%
2011/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.004%
2012/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2013/Jan -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  50-60-70  - 0%
2013/Mar -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  60-70  - 0%
2013/Apr -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.036%
2013/May -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.046%
2013/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.0239%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0192%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0034%
2013/Oct -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0054%
2014/Jan -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0093%
2014/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.013%
2014/Apr -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0048%
2014/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2014/Nov -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.047%
2014/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0228%
2016/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Dec - Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  100 - 0%
 

 


#2 pammartin

pammartin

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 631 posts
  • LocationPennsylvania

Posted 27 November 2014 - 07:47 PM

Happy Thanksgiving! Yes, the holidays do bring out additional anxiety for me. This year was especially difficult.

I didnt want the timing but I had my three month blood draw last Wed and as of yesterday there were no results. Monday I had right heart cath and have not heard from the PH doctor either.

I go between being thankful I am here and worry about how many more holidays I will celebrate. Anxiety has never been my friend, this week is no different.

Hope you found some peace and relaxation at least for a while.

Take care

#3 Pin

Pin

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 202 posts

Posted 29 November 2014 - 02:17 AM

Hi Lucky,
Yes for sure, it is especially hard when you are feeling so fragile, and everyone is having such a good time. I have had a rough time of it over the last few months, I've really been struggling with various other ailments, which has been very hard. It just feels never-ending and every time something new happens I feel very anxious that it could be serious. Part of having this disease for some of us, we are hyper-vigilant about symptoms.

The only thing that has ever really worked for me, other than good results, is reminding myself of the actual facts on a broad scale. Work out what is making you the most anxious. And then determine the actual likelihood of what it is that you are worried about happening. What would you say to someone else in your position? What have you said in the past when others have had (the awful experience) of up and down results? I'm sure you helped me in the same situation :) Find some things that people have said on here, that you know to be true (but find hard to apply to yourself). Write them down somewhere accessible, like in your phone, and read them when you feel anxious. It's a reminder to yourself of what is true, but you find hard to believe. Keep reading them whenever you feel down or anxious. It helps me a bit.

I have to stop typing now, because my arms are killing me, I hope this makes some sense!

xx Pin.

Diagnosed 9 June 2011, Glivec 400mg June 2011-July 2017, Tasigna 600mg July 2017-present (switched due to intolerable side effects, and desire for future cessation attempt).

Commenced monthly testing when MR4.0 lost during 2012.

 

2017: <0.01, <0.01, 0.005 (200mg Glivec, Adelaide) <0.01, 0.001 (new test sensitivity)

2016: <0.01, <0.01, PCRU, 0.002 (Adelaide)

2015: <0.01, <0.01, <0.01, 0.013

2014: PCRU, <0.01, <0.01, <0.01, <0.01

2013: 0.01, 0.014, 0.016, 0.026, 0.041, <0.01, <0.01 

2012: <0.01, <0.01, 0.013, 0.032, 0.021

2011: 38.00, 12.00, 0.14


#4 LivingWellWithCML

LivingWellWithCML

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 60 posts
  • LocationAtlanta, GA

Posted 29 November 2014 - 10:10 AM

Lucky,

 

I truly appreciate your willingness to be vocal about this issue.  It takes courage to surface details of your journey in such an open way.

 

I've struggled with this as well, and it all surfaced as a result of the CML diagnosis.  It's like the reality of dx triggered a chemical reaction in my brain that started anxiety, and I had to work very hard over the first year of treatment to get it under control.  Out of curiosity, what are your most common symptoms?  I know that they can vary extensively from person to person - for me, it's an uncontrollable stomach tightness coupled with strange, unexplained pain.  This sounds really strange, but one of my more recent symptoms is a stinging sensation in both knees.  I can feel this sensation coming on when I'm anxious, then when I fixate on it - it gets worse.  Ugh!  Why in the world would that be caused by anxiety?  I also have a terrible symptom where I might've been perfectly calm for weeks, but then I will randomly wake up in the middle of a given night with the infamous stomach tightness and a racing brain - all for no good reason at all.  That's a rough one when it happens. :-(

 

One thing that has helped me lately is when I learn of others' life challenges.  I still have a tendency to (wrongly) "assume" that everyone else is happy and perfectly healthy, but that's simply not true.  And once you learn more about someone and start to relate, then for me it seems to ease my anxious feelings about CML ... and just uncertainty in general.  For example, within the past week I've met one person who (looks perfectly healthy and unblemished) lives with an organ transplant and has to take life-long anti-rejection meds that carry challenging side effects - sound familiar?  I also met another person who (once again, looks perfectly healthy on the outside) lived through a battle with cancer and now deals with challenging, long-lasting side effects from the radiation treatment course.

 

What did I learn from those connections, and how is it helping me?  (1) When other people start to open up and I find out that they have life challenges that can parallel my own (to some extent), it seems to have a calming effect on my mind, because I start to realize that at any given time, so many people around us also deal with health issues that we don't even know about, and (2) by having conversations with others, I find myself focusing more on what the other person deals with, and when my mind channels its energy toward the other person, I become less fixated on my own situation - that appears to calm me down as well.

 

How do you (and others on the board) feel about the use of medication to help control anxiety?  Over the first year of TKI treatment, I absolutely needed it and I found that it carried great benefits that helped me overcome the worst of my anxiety.  4 years post-dx, I have it available for acute situations only.

 

I hope my own journey is helpful for you, Lucky!


Dan - Atlanta, GA

CML CP Diagnosed March 2011

Gleevec 400mg


#5 gerry

gerry

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 1,035 posts

Posted 30 November 2014 - 07:12 PM

Hi Dan,

Similar story for people who do volunteer work. :)



#6 CallMeLucky

CallMeLucky

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 216 posts
  • LocationCT

Posted 30 November 2014 - 11:18 PM

Thanks for the replies and insight.

Dan you asked some specific questions so I will try to respond. Symptoms range from mild to severe in different ways based on what is going on. It shows itself physically but I am so used to it I don't know that I really recognize the pain. I complain a lot but I actually have a high tolerance for pain. I get it in my neck shoulders and back as well as abdomen and various other areas. I have chronic pelvic pain which seems to have been a result of my stress post diagnosis. This is a situation where my abdominal muscles and my pelvic floor muscles are clenched so tight for so long that they develop trigger points and cause nerve entrapment. I am literally a tight ass :). The tension causes inflammation that was actually squeezing my prostate and causing my PSA to rise to 6.6 making me think I had prostate cancer. Thankfully over the last two years it has steadily declined as I have worked on relaxation techniques and taken anti-inflammatory drugs. My last PSA was less than 1.5, however the pain persists.
Beyond the physical, for me the harder part is the mental. Symptoms range from intrusive thoughts, to fear, anger, panic, and depression. My mind goes into hyperdrive as I try to run through various scenarios. I have to do this until I get tired of it and can't do it anymore. Then I'll typically have smaller waves over time until it settles down and I get used to the issue. It's usually triggered then by another test result or something. Good test results calm it. I know from my reading that this is classic fight or flight response. My primitive brain senses a threat (i.e. Bad test result) that suggests I may be in danger and triggers the chemicals that drive the fight or flight response. Of course the threat is not one that you can fight or run away from so this sends the brain into hyperdrive as it tries to work through the chemical reaction. Basically the panic attacks are the way the body burns it off, sort of a virtual fight/flight. That process is hell to go through and will leave you with mental and most definitely physical pain as your muscles are in a constant state of tension ready to fire.
But in the modern world we don't do anything. Maybe we try to exercise, which is the best bet because it gives the body the chance to do what it was designed to do. But mostly we just sit and let our complex and emotional brain try to deal with it.
In my head I see my wife struggling to raise my kids alone, the hurt they have to endure by losing me and it is complete torture. I know why it's the way it is but that doesn't make a difference because the brain has a tricky way of making you believe it.
With uncertainty I look for logic, I see a pattern, in this case my numbers started climbing, they increased my dose and they dropped only to start climbing again requiring yet a higher dose. Now at 100mg we are not looking at going any higher and it appears it is climbing again. All I can see is the pattern.
So I rationalize it about as best I can. This is either test variability and the next one is going to drop or it will go up and confirm resistance. So what does that mean? Most likely a mutation, or maybe the way I process it. Nothing I can do about processing so just move to another drug and hope for best. If it is mutation, hope it's not T315i. My rationale there is that I have read dasatinib has no effect on t315i, since my numbers drop when I take a higher dose, that would seem to suggest the dasatinib has some effect hopefully making it less likely that it is t315i. Best case if it is a mutation is that it is one that is specifically resistant to Sprycel and Tasigna would work. That might also mean it was something I always had and Gleevec was working on it and lower doses had nothing to do with it.
All in all I obsess until I'm exhausted and then I move on until it flares up again.
It can be quite miserable, but I try to make the best I can and I try not to let it affect my outside life too much. It hasn't interfered with my work too much and I try to be good in front of my kids. I try to keep hidden from wife, nothing particularly attractive about a man in his weakest moments but sometimes she sees it. She cares about me so she is supportive. Mostly I sound off with my mom. She has similar challenges with anxiety so she gets it. Really nothing helps other than playing it out until I'm too tired to think about it anymore. When it's real bad I pop a Xanax, but that only helps a little

So that's about it for now, Talk soon, hopefully with better news.

Hope everyone is doing as well as they can.
Date  -  Lab  -  Scale  -  Drug  -  Dosage MG  - PCR
2010/Jul -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 1.2%
2010/Oct -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.25%
2010/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.367%
2011/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.0081%
2011/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2011/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.00084%
2011/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.004%
2012/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2013/Jan -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  50-60-70  - 0%
2013/Mar -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  60-70  - 0%
2013/Apr -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.036%
2013/May -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.046%
2013/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.0239%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0192%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0034%
2013/Oct -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0054%
2014/Jan -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0093%
2014/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.013%
2014/Apr -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0048%
2014/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2014/Nov -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.047%
2014/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0228%
2016/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Dec - Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  100 - 0%
 

 


#7 PhilB

PhilB

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 130 posts

Posted 02 December 2014 - 09:27 AM

Hi Lucky,

Really sorry to hear that you are having such a bad time of it.  Another part of the puzzle may be the fact that the 'holidays' are the peak period for anxiety and depression for the general population and so you are getting this on top of your CML anxiety.  I think everyone has to find their own mental techniques to cope as we all react differently to the stress.  For me it's down to keeping busy, keeping fit (get a bike!) and making myself think about at least one good thing that happened each day.  Oh and having a good laugh - apropos of which we'd better hope they don't put you back on Gleevec with that tight ass of yours.  Not a good combination!

 

I can also recommend a woodburner - if staring at the flames doesn't help with the stress then chopping the logs is certainly a great way to burn off the tension.

 

All the best

Phil



#8 CallMeLucky

CallMeLucky

    Advanced Member

  • Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 216 posts
  • LocationCT

Posted 02 December 2014 - 10:06 PM

Thanks Phil. Nice visual with the Gleevec and the lower extremity seal.
Date  -  Lab  -  Scale  -  Drug  -  Dosage MG  - PCR
2010/Jul -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 1.2%
2010/Oct -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.25%
2010/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.367%
2011/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.0081%
2011/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2011/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.00084%
2011/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.004%
2012/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2013/Jan -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  50-60-70  - 0%
2013/Mar -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  60-70  - 0%
2013/Apr -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.036%
2013/May -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.046%
2013/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.0239%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0192%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0034%
2013/Oct -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0054%
2014/Jan -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0093%
2014/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.013%
2014/Apr -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0048%
2014/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2014/Nov -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.047%
2014/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0228%
2016/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Dec - Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  100 - 0%
 

 





1 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users