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#1 scuba

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 08:27 PM

http://www.telegraph...ancer-risk.html

"...a study found that men with high levels of omega-3 in their blood were at 43 per cent greater risk of prostate cancer than those with low concentrations, while less common aggressive "high-grade" tumours were 71 per cent more likely than in those not taking supplements."

What caught my eye was the "71 per cent" number. That's almost a certainty.

And what's funny, is that I was just prescribed 4 GRAMS of omega-3 purified EPA to help control my triglycerides as I prepare to step up my exercise and a stress test revealed I need to get my exercise induced blood pressure down.

I'm done with supplements. I am just going to focus on exercising (running) and limiting calories to less than I burn - and keeping my weight to college levels.

Get nutrition from food - the food your mother use to make and her mother and her mother and her mother ... and maybe what Dad brought home from the hunt.


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6-8 grams Curcumin C3 complex.

 

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2016 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale) 

March        2017 PCR:     0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

June          2017 PCR:     "undetected"

September 2017 PCR:     "undetected"


#2 Trey

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 04:59 PM

No more curcumin????



#3 Pin

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 06:57 PM

Just to clarify - if high grade tumours are 71% more likely to occur in people taking supplements - this means that someone taking supplements is 1.7 times more likely to have a high grade tumour than someone who is not taking supplements (so still less than twice as likely).

It does not mean that they have a 71% chance of getting a high grade tumour.

Same with the prostate cancer thing - men with high levels of omega-3 were 1.4 times more likely to get prostate cancer.

Just thought it was important to be clear about what they are actually saying - the stats can be misleading,  especially depending on how they are reported.

Also, note that this is a case control study (comparing healthy controls to people who already have a condition) - therefore, it's very difficult to be sure about whether the use of the supplements actually had anything to do with the cancer - there could be many other factors that may have influenced the relationship (the two groups could be different for other reasons - e.g., people who take supplements may do something else that increases their risk - like they may also tend to eat less vegetables, which may lead to cancer (because they might think they are getting enough nutrients from their pills, not likely but you get the point).

The risks associated with not taking omega-3 may outweigh the risks of taking it - perhaps the risk of prostate cancer is much less than the risk of heart attacks, stroke etc. Be careful making decisions about your health based on very limited research


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2016: <0.01, <0.01, PCRU, 0.002 (Adelaide)

2015: <0.01, <0.01, <0.01, 0.013

2014: PCRU, <0.01, <0.01, <0.01, <0.01

2013: 0.01, 0.014, 0.016, 0.026, 0.041, <0.01, <0.01 

2012: <0.01, <0.01, 0.013, 0.032, 0.021

2011: 38.00, 12.00, 0.14


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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:24 PM

What??? what does this have to do with Curcumin.

The article is about Omega 3 !

I still take my 8 grams of Curcumin every day.

I no longer take omega - 3 ... since I have ...welll... you know...a Prostate.


Diagnosed 11 May 2011 (100% FiSH, 155% PCR)

with b2a2 BCR-ABL fusion transcript coding for the 210kDa BCR-ABL protein

 

Sprycel: 20 mg per day - taken at lights out with Quercetin and/or Magnesium Taurate

6-8 grams Curcumin C3 complex.

 

2015 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

2016 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale) 

March        2017 PCR:     0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

June          2017 PCR:     "undetected"

September 2017 PCR:     "undetected"


#5 Trey

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 08:42 PM

You said:

"I'm done with supplements.... Get nutrition from food - the food your mother use to make and her mother and her mother and her mother ... and maybe what Dad brought home from the hunt."

So curcumin is not a "supplement", and your mother's mother served it at the dinner table in large quantities, and your Dad hunted curcumin in the woods?  Just sayin'



#6 scuba

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 09:12 AM

Good point - Trey - so I'll make an exception - I'm done with supplements except Curcumin.

And probably Vitamin C.

And I do take Magnesium from time to time.

And then vitamin K2 is in there.

But that's it.

Oh ... forgot, vitamin B12 & Folate.

And Lycopene, but I get most of that from tomato's so that doesn't count.

Nah...scratch B12 & Folate, I haven't taken them since I was on Gleevec years ago.


Diagnosed 11 May 2011 (100% FiSH, 155% PCR)

with b2a2 BCR-ABL fusion transcript coding for the 210kDa BCR-ABL protein

 

Sprycel: 20 mg per day - taken at lights out with Quercetin and/or Magnesium Taurate

6-8 grams Curcumin C3 complex.

 

2015 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

2016 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale) 

March        2017 PCR:     0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

June          2017 PCR:     "undetected"

September 2017 PCR:     "undetected"


#7 Tedsey

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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:27 PM

Dear All,

I believe the purity of Omega3 is important as is the source.  Omega3 supplements purified for metals (if really possible) would be something to consider.  And Omega3 from wild caught fish (assuming the waters caught in are clear of heavy metals and PCBs, etc.).  Such a conundrum whether or not to eat fish in general (drink water, breathe air, eat,...and so on---LOL, well, sort of LOL).  It appears we are polluting so much of our food and environment.  Meats with antibiotics and hormones, fish swimming in a sea of industrial waste, GMO fruits and veggies and not to forget herbicides, pesticides and synthetic fertilizers.  I feel the sources of cancer are too numerous to control for.  We should study the people who just die from old age.  Clearly, they have supergenes.

After this 1 study, I wonder what kind of trend there will be if anyone repeats this.  1 study would probably not cause me to change my habits with the exception of one like smoking and smoking related illnesses (but that was more or less longitudinal).  Nevertheless, this article it is good food for thought (and anything that mathematically shows significance is generally made known).  Longitudinal studies with a clear trend are what I think uncovers more truth.  Sadly none of us live long enough and the variables are insurmountable.  There are so many sources to make life choices from it is enough to drive one crazy.

And if you look at the 800+ study sample, how much is that compared to roughly 50% of the world's population (males)?  Like Pin commented on the study, 1.7% more likely of that sample seems rather small. 

Teds 



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 12:42 PM

There is more commentary coming out now about the study in question. Other scientists are challenging the merits of the study reporting that the research does not prove "cause" and "effect". For example, it is not know if the people in the study already had prostate cancer prior to starting omega-3 supplements. The study is weak scientifically.

However, I won't take omega-3 fish oil capsules until more is known (I was prescribed 4 grams EPA per day!). There are other ways to lower triglycerides - like better diet and exercise. Although L-Carnitine works as well, but that's a supplement and I already told Trey no supplements (except Curcumin). It's back to eating well and exercise.

I'll probably continue to eat fish since fishing has been around a long time. Our friends in Japan have very little Prostate cancer (probably due to soy intake) and they eat sushi (which I eat as well). I also eat fermented Soy and my PSA is less than 0.4.


Diagnosed 11 May 2011 (100% FiSH, 155% PCR)

with b2a2 BCR-ABL fusion transcript coding for the 210kDa BCR-ABL protein

 

Sprycel: 20 mg per day - taken at lights out with Quercetin and/or Magnesium Taurate

6-8 grams Curcumin C3 complex.

 

2015 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

2016 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale) 

March        2017 PCR:     0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

June          2017 PCR:     "undetected"

September 2017 PCR:     "undetected"


#9 Tedsey

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 09:42 AM

Isn't soy supposed to emasculate boys?  LOL  That info was in another study.  I know people who won't feed it to their kids because of that.  However, it looks like Asia has no problem increasing their population...  Anyway, you should try organic natto (fermented soy beans--buy at any Japanese or Korean grocer--often frozen).  It will take some getting used to (stinky and strong taste, but you like red wine).  It is delicious.  Mix it with umeboshi (salty pickled plum) vinegar, tamari, or the flavoring packet it comes with (just watch out that the organic natto (nah-toe) doesn't have MSG in the sauce packet--crazy--and the beans are normally packed in polystyrene---uggh).  Anyway, mix it in with rice and eat with dried seaweed (laver).  Heavenly!!!!!  Great breakfast!

Teds



#10 Trey

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Posted 14 July 2013 - 02:31 PM

Doesn't sound like "what Dad brought home from the hunt".  Just sayin'



#11 Tedsey

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 09:18 AM

LOL!  Nevertheless, fermented soy beans are a real man's food.  However, tofu is not.



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 09:29 AM

Teds,

Since we are already "off topic", can you translate this from my antique Japanese folding screen; I could not find a character match:

Japanese Screen Inscription.JPG



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 06:50 PM

Trey,

   These are Chinese characters in Japanese language.

   The character on the left means garden.  The character on the right means "charming or beautiful". But I think "quaint" might be more fit here.  Chinese read from right to left.  So, it means "a quaint garden".  Does it fit the picture on the folding screen?



#14 Trey

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 09:28 PM

Ray,

It certainly makes sense.  The scene is Japanese women in a garden.  Thank you so much. 



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Posted 15 July 2013 - 10:02 PM

I think it looks like Marnie on vacation. It looks like a lot of adventures if you look at the picture from different angles.



#16 PhilB

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 06:06 AM

It's actually a tattoo that he has somewhere unmentionable...



#17 CallMeLucky

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 09:00 AM

Which is quite disturbing given the caption "Quaint Garden"

That's right, try getting that image out of your head the rest of the day......


Date  -  Lab  -  Scale  -  Drug  -  Dosage MG  - PCR
2010/Jul -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 1.2%
2010/Oct -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.25%
2010/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.367%
2011/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.0081%
2011/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2011/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.00084%
2011/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.004%
2012/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2013/Jan -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  50-60-70  - 0%
2013/Mar -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  60-70  - 0%
2013/Apr -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.036%
2013/May -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.046%
2013/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.0239%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0192%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0034%
2013/Oct -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0054%
2014/Jan -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0093%
2014/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.013%
2014/Apr -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0048%
2014/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2014/Nov -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.047%
2014/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0228%
2016/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Dec - Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  100 - 0%
 

 


#18 Marnie

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:56 AM

Geez. . .I was on vacation and came back to this!  I don't even want to try to imagine where the tattoo is located! 

Actually, to me, it didn't look like a tattoo.  It looked like an imaginative cake.  But maybe that's because I'm tired of eating freeze-dried meals.



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Posted 16 July 2013 - 11:11 AM

Hey Marnie,  were you in the BWCA?  Heading up with my son and hammock in a month or so... heaven on earth!


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Posted 16 July 2013 - 01:35 PM

No. . we were touring on the motorcycles in western Colorado.  We carry our camping gear and food and find beautiful sites in National Forest in which to boondock.  This trip was mostly on dirt, and gravel (some really awful gravel this trip).

I haven't been in the Boundary Waters for quite a lot of years, though have probably done 6 or 7 trips in the past.  Where are you launching from and what lakes are you doing?  We typically went out through Moose Lake or sometimes way up in Ely. 

Have a fantastic time!  The Boundary Waters is a pretty special place!  Have you been to Quetico (the Canadian side)?

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