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#21 Judy2

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 09:34 PM

Hi Scuba,

I just wanted to say that Uric Acid is a different from the BUN and GFR. The BUN is an indicator of kidney function, along with your creatinine. It measures how well the kidneys are filtering the blood and the GFR is a calculation derived from your creatinine, along with your age and other factors. The GFR tells us what % of kidney function we have. Uric acid is a chemical in the blood, which, if it is too high can "clog" up our kidneys and lead to a decrease in kidney function. Sometimes this can occur, our Uric Acid can become high, as our high WBC's begin to die off when we are first treated for CML. That is why some of us are given Allopurinol when we are first dx.  Allopurinol helps reduce the amount of Uric Acid in the blood. Anyway, just thought I would try to clarify things.

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Posted 19 July 2012 - 10:42 PM

Hi Susan!

Congratulations on your continued PCRU status.  I have read over each post here, and then I have returned to read over them again.  I wanted to wait to think through all of the information that has been provided before answering, but as Janne noted, it is your decision at the end of the day. 

I have just recently again sought out answers to questions via private message, and I have always appreciated all the support and advice every member has given me in the main forums, both past and present.  When I first hit this site I was a frightened mass of human flesh, hearing the word leukemia, and then no matter how much 'chronic' was noted, I had myself 6 ft under almost constantly.  I second guessed my treatment because I did not trust my doctors, I read information that probably had nothing to do with me, and I poured over my labs worrying about the slightest detail, either a raise or a lower number from the normal range.  I had a moderate panic attack many members helped me through after the first of the year because my white count had went up several points, I was convinced I was loosing response and life was over.  I ended up with a sinus infection and the next month my WBC returned to it's regular 5.2 (or close to it) and it has pretty much stayed there since then.  Stress and anxiety are such fun, aren't they?

My liver enzymes are high, they have been high since January, I am told it is mild damage probably due to the medication.  The damage is not nearly as severe or as important as allowing the CML to take hold, so I try not to worry, emphasis on try.  (also emphasis on the 'mild damage')  I know of a young man who ruined his kidneys taking Tylenol, he went through dialysis for years, had a kidney transplant was living life and succeeding, and I found out he just passed away not long ago because of a heart attack.  What I am trying to say is, every thing we take, even that man who had severe back pain and ruined his kidneys on an over the counter pain med took a risk, but it was not the kidney disease or the transplant that ended his life, it was his heart.  We could second guess ourselves into severe panic attacks, and I sometimes still do, there are a few on here that can attest to that, they have helped me out repeatedly via private message and on the main board.

We come here for support, we know everyone here understands better than anyone else and lives a similar life. In some way most of us that have been here a while have had some similar experience another new/previous member has a question about.  What I worry about is the power of suggestion, and how much credibility each one of us should give responses.  Trey notes very openly there is no medical degree associated with the posts, and although suggestions are given, potential questions to ask at the next doctor's appointment are provided, and requests for posting medical documentation of CML problems/situations to help others are often written, there is usually some form of disclaimer stating one should talk to their doctor before changing, rearranging, or reducing meds for certified medical approval.  Scuba is very clear although his path is working for him, that does not mean it will work for everyone, and although he will provide the link to where he purchases his supplements, I believe if you are going to try that path, then it should be with a product that is credible, not one bought from the local grocery or dollar store.  There are many others who continually offer help, I just chose a few that are continual responders, posted on this link, and have gained serious credibility in our group and beyond.

You seem to like your doctor and trust her, now that I am at Cleveland Clinic I finally understand what everyone has stated in the past.  I might still have some questions, but I am comfortable with the medical facility and the professionals so I am trying to relax and allow the people who are knowledgeable to guide me in a healthy path with this disease.  We have to trust our professionals, and believe they are caring for us in a proactive manner and we really have to be careful not to allow the anxiety to take over, or allow the possibilities to consume us.  You have been very open about fighting your anxiety, and I appreciate that.  I have also battled anxiety the majority of my life, and it is a horrible thing. Although we try, it sneaks up on us and takes over before we know it.  My appointment was canceled today because the BMB results are not in yet, so although I was not looking forward to a trip to Cleveland 2 1/2 hours each way, I was only mildly disappointed.  I did not call the doctor or feel the need to find out if my results came in this afternoon.  I was told when they are in, I will receive a call, then I suppose I will be rescheduling another appointment at the Clinic.  It amazes me I am not driving myself nuts over the unknown, if I were still at West Penn in Pittsburgh, I think I would have been Xanax-ed out by now.

Whatever you decide to do is your choice, and only you can make that decision, but I believe it should be made with the approval of your doctor, even if it is a split in the dosage.  Do I believe it will make a huge difference in your results, probably not.  But do I believe you should run things by a medical professional you trust before making serious changes?, yes I do.  If you trust your doctor and she is happy with the results, then we have to somehow give up the control and trust they know what they are talking about. If you are uncomfortable with your treatment or decisions, then I believe another credible opinion would be a positive step.  We all know a little about this disease, there are several who know a vast amount, but not one that I know of has a medical degree or is a CML who posts on this board.  I will be the first one to stand in line and say I do not, I don't even know enough about CML to make me dangerous, the disease baffles me for the most part.

Getting back to the anxiety, because we suffer from anxiety attacks and depression, it is very easy to allow it to take over, to control our thoughts, the 'what ifs', and our lives in general.  You noted that today was horrible but it had nothing to do with the CML, but you know what? Probably all of these things swirling around in your head about your results compounded when the day turned crappy, even if it has nothing to do with the CML initially.

Please take some time and consider your choices after some soul searching and personal thought and reflection.  Then, just to be sure your doctor is on board with the changes, contact her before you do anything different.  You are a great person and you have helped so many people on here, and continue to help them.  Again I will gladly be one of the first to stand in that line also, we all wish to provide you with the same support you have unselfishly given us.  But that help should have limits, because we are all here because we share this disease or we know someone who is living with it, not because we are experienced medical professionals. 

I hope you can rest this evening, and you have a peaceful day.  I will be checking in to see how you are doing.

Take care, positive thoughts and prayers to you.

Pam



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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:03 PM

WOW PAM:  All I can say is AMEN and AMEN.  I actually did a lot of soul searching tonight with regard to how I worry about things.  I do like my doctor.  I left the idiot I was seeing because I knew he was not taking me down the right path, and when I went to see this doctor I told her all about how my original Oncologist who found my CML retired and what his plan of treatment was with me.  She knew my doctor very well, and she admired his expertise through all his years of practice.  She said she would follow along with what we were doing.  She is always up on the latest treatments also.

    Its hard to really know what to do at times.  I have been all over and saw Specialists along the way.

    I was thinking about splitting my 400mg tablet, but somebody sent me a message and told me to watch for GI problems, as the pill would not be totally coated if I do that. 

   I will weigh out all my options before I make any decisions.  I also know you have been through a lot, and your Faith has gotten you to where you are now.

  Thank You So Much

  Susan



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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:12 PM

Hi Pammie,

   Welcome back!  We're your family,  You replyed to Susan, so now is the time to open up to us.              Love Billie



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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:29 PM

Hi Susan!

Hope you are finding ways to stay cool and get some rest.  It is great to see you post before I head to bed, was going to close out and thought I would check once more to see if you were hanging about.

Take care, I will check with you later today.

Pam



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Posted 19 July 2012 - 11:49 PM

Hey Billie, you mind reader, hidden camera holder, psychic woman you!

I sent you several emails, did get one from you but I will read it in the morning if I try to read now I will be sleeping halfway through it, gotta love the sleepy pills.

I have nothing as of yet, Cleveland has put me on hold, my BMB results are not back, so doctor did not believe it was productive for us to drive 2 1/2 hours just to hear she has not received all information.  If I were an established patient it would probably be different, but since this was the first few visits, establishing the new baseline, and the BMB, she wants everything before she talks to me. 

I am ok with it, was a a bit disappointed I didn't get to go to Quaker Steak and Lube for wings again.  Not sure if I posted this or not. 

At Cleveland they believe in drugging you a bit before the BMB, so I had my xanax, then they gave me two percocet, and right before I had an ativan.  All small doses of course so no over dosing, but add to the long trip out, the worry knowing what was coming and lack of sleep the night before, it hit me like a freight train.  On the way home we stopped for wings at the Quaker Steak in Sharon PA.  I must have been stumbling a bit because the waitress cautiously came over and said she could not serve me alcohol because I seemed visibly intoxicated.  I was kind of lost, I wanted water and lemonade, pain meds dry me out in a horrible way.  So...........my wonderful son in his wisdom beyond his years sits up proudly in his seat, looks straight at the waitress and states, "My mother is not drinking, she is just on drugs."  He was quite horrified she would think I was drunk, but it was not important to mention we had just come from a hospital when he noted the drug intake, instead he then asked her if she was prepared to take his order.  He had not eaten since breakfast and was very hungry.  So........... we have a semi looking adult child who has not eaten all day, a mother who was on drugs, and what could be a husband, boyfriend, escort, or older son showing full embarrassment for the entire exchange.  Of course he threw me right under the bus and left immediately for the bathroom, probably catching the waitress at the bar stating he knew neither of us, he had picked us both up hitchhiking along the road.  I was really looking forward to the wings, perhaps this time I would taste them, I know I ate them last Friday, but not sure if they were chicken or cardboard cut outs on the side of the wing bucket.



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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:12 AM

Hi Susan,

  You know I don't understand all the medical jargon,  But I know you are a big coffee drinker, I was too. Every time I go to any of my docs they say drink more water. Yuk! But for a few years I did get into drinking a lot of water. But forgive me I have faltered! I'm back to my coffee and iced tea. I am an addict to caffiene. To all my friends out there forgive me,for I have failed. I have a well so I drink bottled water and once in a while Ron buys that more expensive water that comes in six-packs. Up until 10 years ago I drank the water from my well with no problem. It was hard water but that is how it is with well water. Then all of a sudden everybody was buying bottled water. Anyway Ron insists we drink bottled water, whatever, but I am trying to at least get in the habit of drinking at least 4 oz. of water when I take my meds. Ron found these TAZO herbal infusion drinks at the grocery store, they aren't bad so I try to drink them also in place of iced tea, or coffee once in a while. When I was on Gleevac I had constant uti infections so they really badgered me about drinking a lot of water. Since I have been on Sprycel I haven't had one uti infection. But my docs keep bugging me to drink lots of water. I do have a problem with getting dehydrated a lot. My skin is starting to sag like a walrus. Even with the bp med we are supposed to drink a lot of water.  No wonder we go crazy!  Yesterday I was putting fresh water in Annies water bowl, instead of grabbing the water bottle I grabbed my wine bottle and filled it up.  So I had to throw my wine away, because I hadn't washed the bowl out. In this heat I just keep putting water in her bowl, we wash it out every morning, but not all day long.. The only advice I can give you is drink lots of h2o before your next test and see if it helps.  Lots o Luv Billie



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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:33 AM

Susan,

You can get the tablets in 100mg form - just ask your doctor to change the 400mg to 100mg.



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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:38 AM

Pam,

My e-mail has been acting really weird. I wasn't sure you would receive that first e-mail I sent. Then 2 days ago I wrote you another long e-mail,maybe that's the one you have now. Ron thinks that maybe those sunspots at the beginning of the week caused us some problems,because everything is working fine now. A lot of people were affected by that. Who knows, I spent over an hour typing that e-mail, so I sure hope you get it.  We have a Quacker Steak & Lube in Erie. This weekend is our annual roar on the shore bike rally. From today until Sunday.they were expecting 100,000 people to show up, but we finally got some badly needed rain today. We were going to take the bike down there but Ron won't let the bike get wet.  But I can get soaked!   Lot's o Luv Billie



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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:42 AM

Billie - your email should still be in your Sent Items (unless you delete them), it might be quicker just to resend it to Pam.



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Posted 20 July 2012 - 03:22 AM

Susan,

Wow!  Nine yrs PCRU!  Nice milestone for you. I haven't much to add about the high BUN, except to say that I am big into the dehydration explanation. I have noticed that when I am dehydrated, they tend to play hunt and peck to find a vein, and then a few measures may be a little on the high side. Not a lot, just a smidge out, but enough to make me think if I'd had 8 oz of water 20-30 min before getting drawn, it would likely have been normal.

Congrats on such a nice long run of zeros!

Traci



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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:30 PM

HI Billie:  I am not a water drinker, but I just happened to go to my friends house on one of those HOT days. She made me a glass of Iced Coffee using Decaf coffee, water, lots of ice, and she put in a little bit of sugar free French Vanilla Coffee Mate.  It was the most refreshing drink, and I started to drink two of them a day prior to my blood work.  I have no idea if it had any effect on my GFR, but it came up 8 points.  I know water, water, water, is so important. Its the caffeine that dehydrates us.  I still need my High Octane Coffee in the morning to get this old body going.

     Right now I have been in so much pain with Sciatica, and it took my mind off the kidney issue.

    I am not a drinker of anything else.  Once every few years, I might have a glass of wine.  No special reason, just was never a drinker.

   I have to tell you that your smart to drink bottled water.  I just got a message from a friend of mine who lives in Pa., and she just found out that there was Methane Gas in her well.  They are in the process of getting Spring Water hooked up somehow.  She is using bottled water for now.

  Your right.  I think everything is driving us all crazy. I love hearing from you.

Susan



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Posted 20 July 2012 - 12:40 PM

Hi Pam,

Great post, well said.

Hugs,

Judy



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Posted 20 July 2012 - 01:05 PM

Hi Traci:  You are right in what you say.  They have trouble finding my veins, and the nurse used to always say that I did not drink enough water before my test.  I always get my blood drawn with the butterfly in the front of my hand.  Otherwise I walk out all bandaged up like a mummy with them prying and poking looking for veins.  I only have one girl draw my blood now, and pray she is working the day I go.  I had 2 people working on me one time looking for a vein, and that was at the hospital where they wanted to do a BMT.  My husband blew his top, because I kept telling them to draw from my hand, and they kept saying we do this all day long and we will find a vein.  They finally did what I told them.

    Another odd thing is that whenever my BP is up, and I drink a lot of water it brings it down.

    The fluids are so important.  Thank You for your Congratulations.

Susan



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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:02 PM

Putting the Gleevec in a gel capsule is a bad idea.  It could reduce absorption from the stomach and duodenum, where much of the drug uptake occurs.  Regarding reduced GI effects, it may reduce stomach upset at the cost of possible less drug uptake, but there is no reason to suspect it would reduce other GI issues.  The Gleevec coating does not provide any "buffering" (mostly iron in a cellulose film that gets slippery when wet), and the goal is rapid breakdown in the stomach, so splitting the tablet would have no impact on GI issues.  Taking the Gleevec with food is a better approach.  Overall, splitting dosage is better done with 100mg tablets, but splitting the 400mg tablets also works. 



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Posted 20 July 2012 - 06:08 PM

Thanks Trey:  I just thought with the one end open could it cause any kind of problem.  I always take my pill with food anyhow or I get the nausea still at times if I do not have enough food in my stomach.

I just got my 90 day supply.  What is different about the100mg tabs?  I guess they do not come in 200mg.

I was curious about cost also with comparison to 100 or 400mg. 



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Posted 20 July 2012 - 09:29 PM

I split dosage using 400mg pills at first for over a year.  Then I started the 100mg pills and they are very easy to swallow, and I still use them now to take 200mg per day.  I have throat constriction issues since starting Gleevec and the 100mg pills are easy peasy to swallow.  As you know, I reached PCRU in less than 8 months splitting 400mg.  GI issues were the same either way.  I highly recommend the 100mg pills for anyone taking 400mg per day or less.  If anyone takes higher than 400mg per day dosage they could get too much iron (from the pill coating) since the 100mg pills have more iron per mg of drug.

There is no 200mg Gleevec pill.  Only 100mg and 400mg.  The price is a bit higher for 100mg.



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Posted 20 July 2012 - 11:22 PM

Hi Gerry,

That's one of the problems I'm having too. All my e-mails used to go to my sent mail, but now they aren't going there anymore. I have no clue where they are. I guess I have to call my IP and spend 3 hours on the phone with someone who doesn't speak good English to get this straightened out. Uggg!!!    Thanks anyway,  Billie



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Posted 09 August 2012 - 09:30 PM

Hey Billie,

Are you sure they are not being sent, but the box that reads the email is moved to your 'sent' box after you have sent it might be unchecked.  I sent you a long windy email, let me know if you receive it.  hehe



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Posted 09 August 2012 - 10:18 PM

Hi Pammie,

I received your e-mail I'm sure glad things are getting better for you. I think my e-mail is straightened out again. It sounds like the cymbalta is starting to work for you.

  I haven't been on this past week, last thursday I got bit by something on the bottom of my left foot, friday I stepped on a bee (i'm allergic to bees) and saturday a mosquito bit me on the ankle. Saturday night was the worst, the bottom of both feet itched so bad, then the bee sting swelled up all my toes and half my foot. Even my toe nails itched. Of course it was the week-end and I wasn't about to go to the er for bug bites.

Today is the first day that I have been able to walk properly. I can't figure out how I could get stung by a bee friday, and not have an allergic reaction until saturday night. I have an epi-pen but I have never used it. I'm afraid of it. I can tell within a few minutes after being stung, whether I need to use the shot and call 911. OMG itchy feet for 5 days. I'm going to start wearing my high water boots. I also have very tickly feet,so every time I scratched I giggled and groaned.  Love Billie






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