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#1 CallMeLucky

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 11:24 AM

http://www.pharmalot...-gleevec-price/

Petition: http://www.change.or...he-drug-gleevec

As Novartis gears up for an important court case in India that can be traced to the pricing and accessibility of its Gleevec cancer med, the drugmaker is now facing a grassroots challenge in the US over the same issue. A petition was recently created on Change.org to demand that Novartis lower the price and that Congress should intervene if the drugmaker fails to do so voluntarily.

"Novartis developed this drug in the 1990s. In the years since then, the price of the drug has increased astronomically. Novartis must have paid their research costs long ago, but the price just keeps rising. Patients with CML leukemia are dependent on the drug to keep them alive. Our US representatives should work with FDA to pressure Novartis to reduce the cost of Gleevec," the petition states. As of today, more than 300 people have signed (see here).

The petition is "notable as a reflection of the growing economic desperation here," writes Joana Ramos, an independent health policy consultant in Seattle. "The already-high, formerly global price has climbed sharply upward in recent years, and coincides with privately insured patients being now forced to shoulder much more of the cost themselves, increasingly impossible for so many. (An) informal survey shows the retail price of an average monthly (supply) of 400mg tablets seems to now be in the $6,000 to $7,500 range" (look here for one example).

Debate over Gleevec pricing has long plagued Novartis, which initially charged about $2,400 a month when the medication was launched in 2001. Five years ago, Brian Druker, who was the key researcher behind the discovery of the drug and who heads the Knight Cancer Institute at Oregon Health and Science University, caused a stir when he publicly chastised Novartis for pricing that caused him "considerable discomfort" (see here).

"Pharmaceutical companies that have invested in the development of medicines should achieve a return on their investments. But this does not mean the abuse of these exclusive rights by excessive prices and seeking patents over minor changes to extend monopoly prices. This goes against the spirit of the patent system and is not justified given the vital investments made by the public sector over decades that make the discovery of these medicines possible," he wrote in an essay at the time.

The issue has been most prominently on display in India, where the Supreme Court will hear arguments this summer over whether the government had the right to deny a patent to Novartis for the cancer med. The drugmaker wants a patent based on a new form of its drug, which would offer a 20-year extension. A previous government ruling denied its request after deciding the new form did not meet a standard for enhanced efficacy. Patient advocates argue that a Novartis victory would amount to evergreening, a reference to patent extensions based on minor changes, and inhibit access since generic drugmakers would be prevented from making lower-cost versions (see this).

We asked Novartis about the petition and received this reply from a spokesman: "Novartis seeks to provide treatment options at prices which reflect the value they bring to patients and society, the scientific innovation they represent and the necessary investment in clinical studies to support development of innovative medicines." He added that the drugmaker runs patient assistance program that provided $144 million of free Gleevec to 4,000 people in the US last year.

The Gleevec patent, by the way, will expire in 2015 in the US.


Date  -  Lab  -  Scale  -  Drug  -  Dosage MG  - PCR
2010/Jul -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 1.2%
2010/Oct -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.25%
2010/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.367%
2011/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.0081%
2011/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2011/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.00084%
2011/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.004%
2012/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2013/Jan -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  50-60-70  - 0%
2013/Mar -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  60-70  - 0%
2013/Apr -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.036%
2013/May -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.046%
2013/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.0239%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0192%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0034%
2013/Oct -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0054%
2014/Jan -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0093%
2014/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.013%
2014/Apr -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0048%
2014/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2014/Nov -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.047%
2014/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0228%
2016/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Dec - Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  100 - 0%
 

 


#2 0vercast

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 11:59 AM

Good article.  I signed that petition and gave them a reason.  I hope they do drop the price, but not to the point where it inhibits their ability to develop newer, next generation cancer drugs.  With that reason in mind, I accepted the cost of the drug.  Insurance pays for all of it, but it takes 52 people paying monthly insurance premiums equal to mine to pay for my monthly dose of pills, and that's not fair to them.  The insurance companies are naturally going to jack up everybody's rates when companies are allowed to gouge patients on critical drugs like this.



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Posted 15 May 2012 - 09:15 PM

My first thought was " good luck with that", since I  don't envision them dropping the price voluntarily. The reason is in their statement. They seek to provide treatment options at PRICES which reflect the VALUE they bring to patients and society. That is, they charge the price the market will bear. And as patients, we will pay it, because it's pay the price or forfeit your life. Hence, there is no pressure to lower the price. They have discovered that providing the drug at reduced cost or for free for a small subset of patients gets them off the hook with society, too.

In a normal market, competition from other pharmas for alternative therapies should drive the price down, but that's only if sprycel is priced significantly lower. Instead, they simply set their price in line with gleevec.  Makes one wonder if they are colluding.

The medical market is quite a unique market.  Consumers just don't have as much power as they do in other markets.

Traci



#4 chriskuo

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 11:04 PM

A petition like this is just a way to let off steam.  Most of the price is paid by insurance companies and we don't know what kind of deals the insurance companies have negotiated.

We do know that the price is lower in most other countries because their governments have negotiated lower prices.

The price of drugs in the US is a major component of health care reform.  That is where people's energies should be devoted.



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Posted 15 May 2012 - 11:36 PM

Traci,

You nailed it.  It's priced based on the value that it delivers.  And for many patients, it sure does deliver a LOT of value...

Of course, I don't like the price that my insurance carrier ultimately incurs, because it now gets passed onto my small consulting firm through a huge increase in our annual premium.  Bummer -- guess I need to figure out a way to provide more value to my company to compensate for the increase, LOL.


Dan - Atlanta, GA

CML CP Diagnosed March 2011

Gleevec 400mg


#6 CallMeLucky

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Posted 16 May 2012 - 09:31 AM

I have to disagree that the price is set based on the value it delivers.  The price is set based on a flawed third payer system that does not reflect true market dynamics.  The reality is that if none of us had health insurance either Novartis would lower the price of the drug drastically or they would sell a few bottles to the few rich people who have CML and the rest of us would die.  More than likely supply and demand curves would align and the price would land somewhere in the mid $300-$500 range (about the price of a monthly car payment which is about the cost the average family would be able to squeeze out of their budget by driving an old used car instead of a new one and cutting back on other spending (of course many would not be able to afford that either, but I suspect that is where the price would land and likely where the generic price will be set in a couple of years).  The only reason the drug companies can gouge the way they do is because of health insurance.  The drug companies know the individuals will not balk because the share they are paying is not that much, but they can gouge the group plan to get the amount they want.  One of the biggest lies ever perpetrated in this country is the idea that we have a free market health care system.  Our system is rigged and has been since Nixon got all excited about the idea of an HMO program that put the cost burden on the people rather than the government and allowed large corporation to make huge profits off the sick and needy.


Date  -  Lab  -  Scale  -  Drug  -  Dosage MG  - PCR
2010/Jul -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 1.2%
2010/Oct -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.25%
2010/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.367%
2011/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.0081%
2011/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2011/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.00084%
2011/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.004%
2012/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2013/Jan -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  50-60-70  - 0%
2013/Mar -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  60-70  - 0%
2013/Apr -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.036%
2013/May -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.046%
2013/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.0239%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0192%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0034%
2013/Oct -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0054%
2014/Jan -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0093%
2014/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.013%
2014/Apr -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0048%
2014/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2014/Nov -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.047%
2014/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0228%
2016/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Dec - Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  100 - 0%
 

 


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Posted 16 May 2012 - 01:54 PM

Overcast,  That is exactly right insurance companies jack the premiums and cost, for those of us who have to pay for our health care insurance.  It is terrible!!  When I was talking to Medco earlier this year about whether or not I want to change from Gleevec to Tasigna I mentioned the cost of the two drugs and that Gleevec becoming Generic in 2015 she said what do you care you have insurance. I wanted to reach my hands thru the phone line and wrap them around her little vocal cords. 

I said you may not know this, but my husband work 38 years of his life, and is still working part time, I worked 32 years of my life and I have CML.  We both have serious health issues.  Now that we are suppose to be retired the cost of our insurance goes up every years and more then double this year.  Most of the younger folks do not pay even come close to paying what we do.  Now when we need the insurance most in our lives, we are taken the most advantage of. I will 65 years old Jan 1 2013, I am counting the months, weeks, days until I have Medicare.  For those of you that complain about Government Health Care, well Medicare is run by the government and we don't have to continually call medicare to pay bills and explain to then for the rest of our lives what they should and do already know.  Blue Cross already know they should pay they just like to stall and hope you will get tired of call and pay the d... medical bills. Once you see the doctor/specialist/hospital, they do not care about the cost if you can't pay you will be hounded for the rest of your life from a collection life, while perhaps you are dying of cancer, this is the American way, I have done been there!!!  Medicare (except for prescription) is much better the our Blue Cross of Mi UAW Retiree, it stinks.  Since being diagnosed in 2005 with CML I spent a lot of my time calling Blue Cross talking to tons of different people repeating the story a zillion to get them to pay.  Blue Cross Mi UAW Retiree should be sued for their incompetence and stress to all especially those with cancer and chronic disease. 

The $$$$$ cost of the rising cost of speciality prescription and health care is shared by all of us in some way.  Unless we are forced to become indigent to get help. Then someone else would be paying our cost.

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 01:47 AM

Good article and I signed the petition.  I think what disturbs me the most is a lot of the cost is from the public.

There are so many charities and fund raisers for all kinds of cancers and diseases.  I think over the years people are beginning to wonder.  Like all that money raised by Jerry Lewis for MDS and there is still no cure in sight.  I guess what I am saying is if a lot of the money for these drugs is raised by the public, do we actually know how much money was funded by the drug maker and how much was given by the public and charities. That would be interesting to see the financial books.

I think many of our politicians get our drug companies sweet deals, to help them get elected.  Politics is dirty pool.

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Posted 05 June 2012 - 08:00 PM

I was number 370 to sign



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Posted 19 June 2012 - 08:48 PM

Pamsouth,

You are right! The Insurance companies should be ashamed of themselves. Because of their greed I have lost everything because I got CML;



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Posted 19 June 2012 - 11:38 PM

I think you misunderstand the US health care system.  The drug companies set the price and the insurance companies negotiate with them but not very hard.

In most countries,  the drug companies negotiate with the government, but that is forbidden in the US.

A single payer system would reduce drug costs, but that is a politically toxic concept in the US.

The insurance companies take a cut of drug prices for administration and profit, but it is not the largest share for drugs under patent.



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Posted 19 June 2012 - 11:40 PM

I think you are barking up the wrong tree by going to Novartis.  The US political system needs to get its house in order.  Going to the drug

companies on a one off basis is just taking the pressure off the politicians to do their job.



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Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:43 AM

Good Point. Put the pressure on the politicians.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:44 AM

Maybe we need a single payer system.  But I am not sure I understand the positive and the negative benefits of a single payer.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 12:46 AM

I really don't think they lose any sleep over greed, I am sure they have justified it and I doubt they lose any sleep.  As long as our politicians and wealthy have great health care insurance they are not worried about the rest us.  Just look at Washington DC White House.

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Posted 20 June 2012 - 08:09 AM

The drug Gleevec is given free in the country of Georgia.  I know.  I am here in this country  TDY with my employer... I see an oncologist here once a month for my labs and at the first visit, she gave me a form to fill out to get the drug free.  I refused because I would have had to lie that I did not have insurance.  I told her and she said they do not have to put the nationality of anyone nor the income and that we could get it.  This upsets me.... foreign countries can get the drug free but Americans cannot.






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