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#1 CallMeLucky

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 12:37 PM

http://www.ahdbonlin...se-finding-cure

Chronic Myeloid Leukemia: Are We Close to Finding a Cure?

The cure for chronic myeloid leukemia (CML) is a topic of intense debate among hematologists these days, not only the possibility of achieving it but what cure actually means.

"What do we mean by 'cure'?" asked Junia Melo, MD, PhD, Imperial College of Medicine, London, speaking at a CML education session at ASH 2011.

One position is that a cure is the eradication of every leukemic cell from the body; a second perspective holds that what is needed is an "operational cure," meaning the disappearance of all signs of the disease, so that there is no further impact on the patient's quality of life.

"The first concept is overly simplistic," said Dr Melo. "Not only is it difficult to achieve; it's impossible to prove." There is no assay that can ensure that every last leukemic cell present can be detected.

Dr Melo asked if a treatment-free cure is truly that important. "There are 3 things to look at: chronic toxicity with treatment and late-emerging toxicities; cost of continuing treatment; and the threat of lingering, although minimal, disease."

Toxicities and Cost of Continuing Treatment
One recent study has shown that many patients with CML are tired of receiving treatment. When asked to stratify their treatment's side effects, patients said they "minded very much" fatigue (29%), muscle cramps (30%), pain (30%), and edema (24%). "We need to consider this when we're keeping patients on treatment for years at a time," Dr Melo said.

The cost of years-long treatment is also no small matter. Dr Melo estimates that the cost to treat CML patients using tyrosine kinase in­hibitors (TKIs) in the United Kingdom ranges from £18,000 to £32,000 ($27,000-$48,000) annually.

As for the lingering potential for relapse—should a few active leukemic cells survive treatment—what threshold of risk is acceptable? There is no way to say. "So, maybe an operational cure is only a partial success and we should aim higher."

Treating CML with an allogeneic transplant is defined as curative. However, as Dr Melo pointed out, although the relapse-free rate with transplant is as high as 70% at 10 years, only 25% of patients are able to find the necessary human leukocyte antigen-matched donor. Further­more, those who re­ceive a transplant risk developing chronic graft-versus-host disease, and, according to very sensitive testing methods, 30% of transplant patients still harbor aberrant BCR-ABL (potentially disease-causing) transcripts.

Can CML Actually Be Cured?
Accepting the premise that a cure cannot be proved, Dr Melo considered whether cures have been seen in practice. Two clinical trials involved patients who achieved a complete molecular response (CMR) and were allowed to stop treatment with TKIs—the CML8 trial and the STIM (Stop Imatinib) study. Both showed that approximately 40% of patients were able to discontinue treatment and maintain CMR for 5 years.

"This tells us that for some proportion of patients, the TKIs can be safely withdrawn," Dr Melo said, adding that stopping treatment in the STIM trial is estimated to have saved as much as €4 million ($5.2 million), "even in this short period of time."

In both trials, patients received imatinib. The potential for cure with second-generation TKIs may hold even greater promise (see below). In one study, 64% of patients in CMR who stopped treatment with dasatinib or nilotinib have maintained responses for 10 months of follow-up. "Although the numbers are very small [N = 33], it is still very encouraging," Dr Melo said. 

Can Cures Be Predicted?
Evidence continues to accrue that some patients can be treatment-free and cured, but predicting who may be cured remains a challenge. A small subset of patients from the STIM trial who successfully stopped treatment (N = 66) displayed a few identifiable commonalities. Significant factors for treatment-free individuals with sustained CMR were lower Sokal prognostic scores, imatinib treatment >50 months, and (barely significant for reasons unknown) male sex.

The molecular mechanism of cure is also coming into focus. Citing a recent analysis of data from the IRIS (International Randomized IFN versus STI571) and TIDEL (Trial of Imatinib with Dose Escalation) trials (both with imatinib), Dr Melo favors the idea of a triphasic response to treatment that results in "stem-cell exhaustion," in which 3 distinct cancer-cell-killing time intervals have been observed. "In the first 3 to 4 months you kill all the mature cells, then after 3 to 4 years the progenitor cells die off, then finally you get to the (cancer-originating) stem cells." 

"Can we consolidate CMR with more intense use of TKIs?" asked Dr Melo. Several approaches that are being considered include change of dose, schedule, and adding an immunotherapy. The answer may lie in new drugs that target the stem cells themselves.  

"There are several new agents in development that target the oncogene BCR-ABL, stop the formation of stem cells, and induce apoptosis in quiescent cells," said Dr Melo. But if no method can ensure the detection of no residual, potentially life-threatening CML stem cells, then the reality of achieving a cure will remain a matter of faith and ongoing patient observation.


Date  -  Lab  -  Scale  -  Drug  -  Dosage MG  - PCR
2010/Jul -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 1.2%
2010/Oct -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.25%
2010/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.367%
2011/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.0081%
2011/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2011/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.00084%
2011/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.004%
2012/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2013/Jan -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  50-60-70  - 0%
2013/Mar -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  60-70  - 0%
2013/Apr -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.036%
2013/May -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.046%
2013/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.0239%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0192%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0034%
2013/Oct -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0054%
2014/Jan -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0093%
2014/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.013%
2014/Apr -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0048%
2014/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2014/Nov -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.047%
2014/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0228%
2016/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Dec - Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  100 - 0%
 

 


#2 Skittles

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Posted 15 March 2012 - 02:09 PM

Thanks for this article Lucky.  It is very encouraging to know that research is being done to find a 'cure' or at least a better way for those of us on long term drugs that can be toxic and have so many side effects.  Each time I read one of the transcripts about the possibility of stopping therapy for some I am encouraged that many wonderful men and women are striving to make our lives better so that even if a cure isn't found that perhaps one day we will all be taking less medication in order to keep our numbers in the safe zone.  I am very thankful to these doctors, scientists and folks like you who continue to keep us up on what is new in the world of CML.  Skittles



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Posted 17 March 2012 - 07:18 AM

Tough call and it will always be.

Because like they say in the article they cant prove you are cured.

Some of us who been taking TKIs for a few years could be cured already.

But who is going to risk stopping the treatment only to find the disease relapsing and even worse maybe relapsing into an accelerated stage or resistant to first generation TKIs.



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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:19 AM

Yes, there certainly is some risk - fortunately though, of all the studies I have read where they have done this, in the cases of patients who relapsed, which were the majority, all of them were able to regain their response once they started taking the meds again.  Of course nothing is for certain and I am sure we all feel like we would be the one who it wouldn't work for.  I think you have to look at all the factors.  For those that had low risk factors to begin with and who responded well right out of the gate without any real issues, it seems like it would be safe to try under the right circumstances and care.


Date  -  Lab  -  Scale  -  Drug  -  Dosage MG  - PCR
2010/Jul -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 1.2%
2010/Oct -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.25%
2010/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.367%
2011/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.0081%
2011/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2011/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.00084%
2011/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.004%
2012/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2013/Jan -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  50-60-70  - 0%
2013/Mar -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  60-70  - 0%
2013/Apr -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.036%
2013/May -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.046%
2013/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.0239%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0192%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0034%
2013/Oct -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0054%
2014/Jan -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0093%
2014/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.013%
2014/Apr -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0048%
2014/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2014/Nov -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.047%
2014/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0228%
2016/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Dec - Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  100 - 0%
 

 


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Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:18 AM

Ruineto wrote, "But who is going to risk stopping the treatment only to find the disease relapsing and even worse maybe relapsing into an accelerated stage or resistant to first generation TKIs."

I believe the risk of accelerated or blast crisis relapse is extremely remote when TKI's are stopped when a person has been in CMR. The first thing to happen is an expansion of the CML cells containing bcr-abl gene. At some point there is enough transcripts that PCR becomes detectable. At that point one returns to treatment and the disease is reduced again. The key is regular PCR testing to monitor progress.

Keep in mind - for many of us, CML is dividing and trying to grow inside of us all of the time in any event even though we take a TKI. We take the TKI for years and the disease doesn't advance, but it doesn't go to zero - bcr-abl transcripts continue to be detectable. For those who are PCRu (CMR) for several years, however, there is a real chance that the originating stem cells may have been exhausted or under immune system control. I personally would like to test this idea assuming I can get to CMR. I have confidence that if I relapse, then I will just resume therapy again.

I believe Trey and Susan have probably exhausted their CML stem cells - especially Susan since she has been PCRu for many many years and had Interferon prior to Gleevec. It's a shame that they may actually be cured, but there is no way of knowing - no test that can be taken to tell them if they are cured. The reality is that the only way to find out is to stop the drug. The good news is that for those who did stop and relapse occurred, they were able to be put back into PCRu quickly after resuming. That is the encouraging point.

Is there any data anywhere which shows patients who have stopped TKI's when in CMR, relapsed and failed to regain CMR or worse - advanced to accelerated or blast phase? I am not aware of any reports of this kind.


Diagnosed 11 May 2011 (100% FiSH, 155% PCR)

with b2a2 BCR-ABL fusion transcript coding for the 210kDa BCR-ABL protein

 

Sprycel: 20 mg per day - taken at lights out with Quercetin and/or Magnesium Taurate

6-8 grams Curcumin C3 complex.

 

2015 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

2016 PCR: < 0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale) 

March        2017 PCR:     0.01% (M.D. Anderson scale)

June          2017 PCR:     "undetected"

September 2017 PCR:     "undetected"


#6 CallMeLucky

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:24 AM


Is there any data anywhere which shows patients who have stopped TKI's when in CMR, relapsed and failed to regain CMR or worse - advanced to accelerated or blast phase? I am not aware of any reports of this kind.

Neither am I


Date  -  Lab  -  Scale  -  Drug  -  Dosage MG  - PCR
2010/Jul -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 1.2%
2010/Oct -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.25%
2010/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.367%
2011/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.0081%
2011/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2011/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.00084%
2011/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Mar -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0.004%
2012/Jun -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Sep -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Gleevec  - 400 - 0%
2012/Dec -  MSKCC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2013/Jan -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  50-60-70  - 0%
2013/Mar -  Quest  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  60-70  - 0%
2013/Apr -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.036%
2013/May -  CUMC  -  Non-IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.046%
2013/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 50 - 0.0239%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0192%
2013/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0034%
2013/Oct -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0054%
2014/Jan -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 70 - 0.0093%
2014/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.013%
2014/Apr -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0048%
2014/Jul -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2014/Nov -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.047%
2014/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2015/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0.0228%
2016/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2016/Dec -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Mar -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Jun -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Sep -  Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  - 100 - 0%
2017/Dec - Genoptix  -  IS  -  Sprycel  -  100 - 0%
 

 


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Posted 19 March 2012 - 10:40 AM

I have wondered about this as well.  I have been PCRU for 2 years locally but am not so sure I would be on a more sensitive test.  I know a fellow cmler that has been PCRU at the same lab I use for over 3 years yet when tested though Dr Druker at Molecular MD he has always had a low positive result.  I assume I would also show a low positive if tested at OHSU.  I am seeing Dr. Druker in a few months and intend to ask him this very question regarding relapse. Though I would love to come off Gleevec I am afraid to until more time has lapsed from the trials.  I did see one interview where Dr. Shah mentioned a very few' have been off treatment for up to 8 years but he did not say where or in what trial.  All things considered I am thankful our quality of life is being recognized.  I'm not sure the drug companies would like cessation to be an option however..ha!  Skittles






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